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Scepter Cans Carry
Thanks for the pic. Now I know a good way to store in the truck.
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Using Scepter MFC/Military Fuel Can, there is no need for adding addictive to the fuel even for long term storage, since these cans DO NOT vent or leak, they are sealed.
Without venting, the gas will not become gummy (what the addictive are intended to prevent)! The trouble is, it is VERY difficult to find where to buy real Scepter MFCs.
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Yes I still have 6 cans to sell. I may just take 2 more and put into my stores for gas. So even if I do that I have 4 for sale they are all tan. They were used on 1 deployment for diesel then I cleaned them out. They all have the Viton gasket so no worries about using gas.
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As to finding "real" Scepters, a check of Google, e-bay, etc will provide multiple sources. |
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Couldn't find any LOW COST ones....
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You did not give that as a parameter in your post that I replied to.
Never mind I just realized it was concerning their water containers and not fuel cans. Last edited by Steve_In_29; 06-09-2015 at 7:59 AM.. |
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I would say pass on these and go for the metal NATO (Jerry) cans instead. |
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I would bet that civilianized can won't survive, while a military grade Scepter wouldn't loose a drop. As for the no-additives/rotate-regularly comment, absent a timeline that doesn't really provide any useful info. What's "regularly"? Every month, two, three, six, a year? Personally unless you are rotating monthly (though how much could you really store with that schedule) I think it's penny-wise/pound-foolish to store fuel for an emergency without taking the relatively cheap extra step to make sure it's still good when needed the most and lives might be counting on it. It's commonly acknowledged among most automotive sources that modern gasoline starts to go bad in as little as 30 days. |
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No Viton is good for gas, diesel all of it.
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These are very good cans but you need to have them shipped to an out-of-state friend.
http://www.majorsurplus.com/Euro-Mil...1--P14398.aspx |
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I'm actually glad this thread was brought back up. I never did pick them up and my original thread was well over a year ago.
One of you mentioned filling it with water then throwing it off a roof and driving over it. Surely you're referring to the old metal Scepter cans and not the plastic ones, right? If not, WOW they are much more durable than I expected from any fuel can. I'll pick some up this weekend. I was planning on getting plastic ones anyway for the weight savings. Onto ebay for me!
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The mil ones actually say gov property on them I believe. Which I don't want to have in my possession, especially in this state. Unless the gov ever sells the old ones... do they?
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They surplus them out from time to time. Personally I think they are the ONLY plastic fuel cans worth owning.
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Just to clarify Scepter it's a brand name, not a style or design. AFAIK, Scepter has never made a metal fuel container. You're probably thinking to the metal NATO fuel jugs.
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Scepter cans are incredibly tough and work great. Anyone who questions the fact they are made of plastic (THICK HDPE) has definitely never handled one.
I've used 6 fuel (2 diesel, 4 gas) and 8 water cans for maybe 6 years now. The H2O cans were purchased new but all 6 fuel cans were milsurp and look absolutely THRASHED. They function and feel just like the brand new water cans. If you need a fuel or water can and want it to be very durable (albeit heavier and more expensive than cheap cans), then stop your research here. Just get a couple and move on with life. You won't regret it. |
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They were pretty common in the mid 2000s. Got them from sportsmans guide, had the yellow diesel caps. Paid something like $10 or $15 each. This was well before carb closed the door, then things prices became stupid.
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Ok so it's safe to own the ones that say Gov Property without fear of getting hooked for stolen property. That's good to know.
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So my friend in California found a couple of old military Scepter cans that were in the wreckage from a tragic boating accident...
In looking through the CA Air Resource Board's site, all he could find is that it is illegal to "offer to sell, sell, blah blah" non compliant cans. So it sounds like possession is not problematic. Are there any crazy regulations or laws that would prevent my friend from using one of these 'unapproved' fuel containers? In addition, are there any other laws (federal or state) that require any distinctive markings for containers (such as red straps for gas/yellow for diesel) or anything else that one would need to know about. If possession and use is not against any CA or federal regulations or laws, are there any recommendations for spouts that I can give to my friend? Thanks for any advice, he doesn't have an account on here so I'm asking for him.
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I'm not aware of any laws that address strap color, but red is typically used for gas, and yellow for diesel. But you probably already knew that.
There is a spout sold that has about an 18" long flexible tube attached to a cap that screws on the Scepter cans. I'll bet you can find one for sale on eBay.
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Yeah there's a few of them, didn't know if there were any to avoid or any to preference. Thanks!
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I have one that looks like this:
It works well for me. Mine came with a bag so you can store it away without any drips getting all over. I like it, but haven't tried any others.
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Even the old style clamp-on spouts from the previous generation of metal military fuel cans will work, as they intentionally made the Scepter opening the same size. These are usually cheaper to buy then the actual Scepter spouts.
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Good to know, thanks!
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Yet another option is the screw-in nozzles for the old style metal military cans. These can be found with either the original large diameter tube or the later model small diameter tube that fits through the flap in the filler neck on modern cars.
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It is generally easy to visually verify a can is CA legal so if you use them or transport them keep them out of sight. To be legal they need to be the color red among a few other rules. These Scepter cans are made in red so maybe get those and from a distance they would look legal. They also need to say "gasoline" and have a "no spill" nozzle. The Scepter cans say "fuel" When we go ride in the desert I tell my friends to keep their non-compliant stuff in the truck/trailer out of sight. I have also heard a few times that CHP will pull you over if they see a non-compliant can in the bed of a truck. I know this is crap and I plan to buy some of these MIL Scepter cans anyway for home storage. Just be smart about transporting and we should be ok.
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Rumors abound, but please cite the law that makes it illegal to possess Scepter cans. I don't believe there is such a law. Like other things we are familiar with, the sale of Scepter cans was made illegal in about 2001. I think possession of pre-ban cans is legal.
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I don't doubt what you are saying Tiger, but to be cited there must be some law or regulation in place.
I haven't been able to find anything on the books and if you are can find some links it would be greatly appreciated!
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California Code of Regulations , Title 13, Division 3, Chapter 9, Article 6, Section 2467 et. seq is what covers sales of these 'unapproved' containers. Posting the link again since it may have gotten lost in my previous post: http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs342.pdf http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-...rs/pfc/pfc.htm If anyone can find anything additional I'd love to know about it.
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