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sig p239 in 9mm would be sweet, or a vintage p225 in 9mm; either or as far as grip. do your research as varying needs will dictate one or the other, ie. for higher pressure loads you'll want the p239 etc. DO your homework, then test drive at a shooting range with a rental; the proof is in the puddin....
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I din't know if anyone mentioned the P99, but mine came with 3 grips, for s, m and l the m works fine for me. and it is a very nice pistol
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Glock 19. I've had one since the 1980s and it's a good fit for a smaller hand. I also have a Glock 23 (same frame, but .40 cal). You either love or hate Glock, but I think it's an excellent 9mm in its price range.
I also love Sigs, but they are pricier and a little thicker in the grip. If you go the Sig route, I recommend aftermarket Hogue grips. It gives them a better feel.
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i agree re the poly framed weapons....in any calibre.
mz
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a hotter rounds in it. Go figure. So maybe a little more time with the Ruger and we can "bond". |
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I have only put a few hundred rounds through it. So far, I am very impressed. Yeah, I know, the .380 is a lousy Caliber. I am convinced the Cor-Bon DPX is the answer. The recoil was so light that both my son and I were shooting 'Off Hand' and still hitting the black. I am 5'10" and 195#. For my size, I have small hands. The Bersa feels great. A friend of mine had a Walther PPK/s that gave him nothing but grief. He finally sold it. He is convinced the Bersa has a better trigger and feeds better than his Walther for 1/2 the price. I compared the Bersa trigger to one of the tiny S&W .38 alloy frames. The S&W was well over $450. I liked the Bersa a lot better. The Bersa is also just fun too shoot. Reminds me of my first .22 Revolver in 'fun factor'. Just my .02. |
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Just curious ... What does everybody mean by women's "small" hands?
Like glove size 6 or 7?
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SOOOOO, I think all of these suggestions are moot until you go to some ranges that have some possibilities, and just test them out. Some guns can't be rented (for whatever reason, but CZ is notoriously hard to find to RENT), so you may have to depend on the kindness of others to test out some pieces that you're interested in buying.
I have a hard time buying anything that I haven't already shot for the simple reason that you just never know if YOU like the feel of something. There have been some pieces that have been highly recommended by others, and I just didn't like the feel of (like the HK P2000). Hope that helps. |
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I concur with pullnshoot. Can't go wrong with a Browning Highpower.
I also have small hands and I have little stubby fingers. That kind of gets you to the same place. I think your best route would be to start shooting rentals and borrowed guns till you find something you like. I love Sigs too but I can’t afford them. The reason, among others, is that they have nice triggers. Most of the modern crop of polymer pistols have crappy triggers. A friend just bought a Springfield XD Sub-Compact for his daughter, she loves it. It has reasonably small grips and the best out-of-the-box trigger I have ever felt on a plastic gun other than a Sig. They sell for half the price of a Sig. I like the Highpower and they have a fairly good factory trigger. The steel grip frame has more mass and thus more inertia. You don’t have to “help” it as much to stay put so it can cycle. From your description of all you tried to make the Ruger work I doubt you are “limp wristing” it. I think the thing is just too big for you to get a good grip on. Someone advised you to hold it like an egg, just hard enough to not break it. Uh, an egg doesn’t go off and kill somebody when it hits the floor. I realize most modern handguns that are functioning properly aren’t supposed to either, I’m just sayin’. P. S. I have noticed the Khar-9 came up a couple times. I bought one once, new. It turned out to be such a pile of junk I gave it away because I was ashamed to sell it. Reliability and accuracy were just totally unacceptable. Don't believe everything you read in the gun press. I'm not trying to pic any fights, I just think I would want someone to tell me. Quote:
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I think you may be confusing the terms. The hammer stays back on a single action. Double action only triggers suck.
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You can do the same thing by adjusting the resistance of the recoil spring but I would no do it because even with the lighter loads it will then batter the gun when hubby shoots it. Besides I think it would be great for you to tell everyone that the hot stuff is for you and he shoots the wimp loads!
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seen a lot of mp9 recomendations here. the m&p actually has a rather thick grip. more like a glock. a smith sw99 has the same changable backstrap and is thinner in the grip. although finding a new one might be a little difficult here. also try the ruger sr9. it has a thinner grip too. and both these guns should be under $500. oh and the fnp. it comes with 3 mags too so thats a bonus. but i will say that finding a gun that performs as well as the ruger you got for around the same price will be quite difficult.
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its kind of ironic that you are recommending some one to stay away from a poly framed weapon. but your avatar is a glock. what exactly is the problem with apparently all poly framed guns?
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The frame needs to be wider for rigidity and the frame has less reaction mass.
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Sig is great. you just need to pull the trigger, the gun takes care of the rest. of course, i think the 228 is better than the 239, but it's all about personal preference. The 239 has smaller grips i think. If you can't get a Sig try a springfield xd in 9mm. My wife has no problem shooting my brothers xd .40 and she has small, weak hands.
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buy a revolver. problem solved.
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Both those would be BAD choices for a person with small hands. In the Sig line you need a single stack pistol like a 225/p6/239. I have medium hands and on my 226 with a short trigger and thin alumigrips it's still difficult to reach the trigger for a double-action first shot.
Many people compensate for this by using an "L" grip to hold the pistol; basically gripping the pistol abit from the side so they can get their finger on the trigger easier. This is bad because it significantly weakens your ability to handle recoil and contributes to limp-wristing and slow follow up shots as the pistol tries to twist out of your hand. You want the barrel to line up with your forearm when you grip the pistol. Heres Tod Jarret showing the proper way to index your pistol in line with your forearm: Taking a proper grip is the first step to good shooting.
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My roomie is only 5'2" and she has hogue panels on her 226. Her hands are small, but she tears up the xring with that pistol. Bare in mind a 9mm 226 isn't recoiling like a .40, but it really is a great pistol to shoot. Personally I can't be that accurate with the wide grip Sigs. So I love my P6, even though I'm taller than her and can get a more correct grip on her 226 than she can.
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And is she able to grip it with the barrel aligned with her forearm? If not, she's not shooting to her potential and would be better served with a pistol that fits properly.
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I think you need to balance things like grip/mechanics against gun particulars like grip size, grip angle, barrel length, trigger weight, trigger distance, round capacity, gun materials, gun weight, gun caliber, gun inherent accuracy, etc. For example, the P220 fits my hand better than the P226; while I can shoot the P220 well enough, my follow-up shots with a P226 (in 9mm) is quicker. The HK P2000 fits my hand almost perfectly and the trigger position couldn't be better. But the DA pull is significantly heavier than my P226, magazines are outrageously expensive and I like the longer barrel (and sight radius) of the P226. I use a slight offset grip on my P226 - it may not be a perfect, textbook grip but the P226, overall, works best for me. |
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My wife likes her XD9. Very grip-able for a double stack. The CZ is also good.
The Springfield EMP9 is an all metal gun with a single-stack 9 round magazine. Top of the line and very compact. Yes the price is a bit steep but it's a quality gun. My wife is right proud of hers. |
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Already mentioned the Hi Power...
CZ-75B is Europe's answer to the Hi Power. I think they are neck-and-neck for usability and durability. Last edited by pullnshoot25; 12-31-2009 at 5:46 PM.. |
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I have a few rugers. And you are right the P90 98 95 series have big grips. I have big hands and actually prefer a thicker grip.
Does the gun have a rubber slip on grip or not? If you mainly bought it for her and its not working for her you may want to sell or trade it. It does sound like a case of loose grip/limp wrist. No point in keeping a gun no matter how accurate if you cant shoot it. Did you check out the Ruger P345? Its a single stack 45 caliber and it has the feel of a 1911 in the grip. i had one and I actually did not like it due to the thinner grip. the .45 and 9mm ammo difference cost is not that huge. I would look into single stack models rather than double stack. I had a XD9 tactical and the grips were slightly thinner than my Ruger was. have her try the XD series. I liked mine. I ended up giving it to my buddy as a present for graduating the naval academy |
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I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my M&P 9mm!!! I had previously shot a Sig 239 and liked it too. I took both guns to the range trying to figure out which one I liked better, and it turned out I liked the M&P better- I shot it better and it flips a little less (for me, anyways.) The interchangable grips are pretty handy too. I'm a small gal with small hands and not a lot of strength in my left hand/wrist. I had problems racking the slide on some of the guns I tried, but this one is no problem. I love it!!!
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Springfield 1911 EMP in 9mm for a small overall size and a small diamater grip.
Springfield 1911 Loaded in 9mm for a full size handgun with a small diamager grip. The issue you are likely running into that double stack magazines are wide and take up a lot of space. So guns designed to use duble stack magazines have wide grips. I have short, stubby fingers which do slow me down using Glocks and H&K USPs (my favorite guns) a little because reaching the controls can at times require adjusting my hands. I put up with this because of magazine capacity and I just like them. If I could not get my hands comfortably around them at all, I would opt for a 1911. 1911s use a single stack magazine, so the diamater of the grip is smaller (usually) and thus ideal for small hands. Downside is they are pricy, especially when they come with the modern features you are definately going to want. They also do not have as high a magazine capacity so you will be changing your magazine a little more often. The upside is I am pretty sure you will be able to get your hand all the around the grip, and be able to reach the controls. I've been drooling over the Springfield 1911 EMP 9mm for some time now. My handgun is a Glock 19. I love it. But the EMP is thinner, and smaller, and would hide better on my body during concealed carry. I am just itching to get one. Last edited by tacticalcity; 01-07-2010 at 2:51 PM.. |
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Pistol Choices for a Lady
The decision on what to choose for a defensive handgun is a very subjective issue. Compile that with the necessity of limiting the available choices to a particular style or size of pistol and it can become even more complicated.
After having taught several ladies to shoot a handgun/ pistol here are a few suggestions for consideration; 1. If you have not received professional training in the handling/ firing of a handgun invest in a basic course or a couple of individual lessons with a certified instructor or knowledgeable individual. 2. Find several ranges with rentals and try to fire 6-8 different pistols/ handguns of various makes/ calibers. NOTE: If the pistol/ handgun is to be used for Concealed Carry/ Personal defense, seriously consider ONLY .35 caliber or greater (nothing smaller than 9mm or .38 Special). 3. Suggestions by anyone else are beneficial for academic purposes, BUT only YOU can decide what pistol/ handgun fits your hand and what style/ frame, etc. you prefer. 4. Purchase the best gun (pistol/ handgun) you can afford. Sure, $1,000 for a pistol is expensive but if properly cared for such a gun could last a lifetime. And if it turns-out that a Glock, USP, SigPro, Springfield XD are pistols that suit you such a pistol could be purchased for around $500-700 (slightly more or less depending on the model/ caliber/ sights, except for the USP). Also, a quality used pistol can be a viable option as well. Because of the economy there are many opportunities to purchase a used pistol for substantially less than a newer model. The two types of handguns that I have taught more ladies to shoot with by far are the standard Smith and Wesson 686 medium frame double action revolver (.38 Special or .357 Magnum) firing .38 Special rounds and a Glock 19/17 9mm pistol. These pistols are very easy to learn how to use and generally have a grip size which accommodates persons with smaller hand sizes. I have also taught several ladies to fire a pistol with an HKP7 M8 and a SIG 220/ 226 pistols as well. But, I preferred the Glock and revolver because the manual of arms is fairly simple. My own recommendations for a ladies self-defense/ CCW pistol would be the following (Cheapest to most expensive): 1. Glock 19/23 (9mm/ .40 SW) 2. Smith and Wesson .38 Special (M60, 36, 442, 640, etc.) revolver 3. Smith and Wesson 3913 4. Sig 229/ 226 9mm 5. HKP7 M8 These are all firearms/ pistols which I have owned or have used a great deal (except for the 3913, I have shot 2 and both were very accurate and reliable). Good Luck in your search, SkiDevil P.S. Take your time and try-out a variety of guns. Also, I would probably lean more towards a 9mm or .40 SW Caliber because generally the ammunition is easier to locate and cheaper to shoot than the other standard defensive handgun calibers. Finally, understand that in order to truly have a substantially reduced grip size, then a sub-compact or ultra-compact pistol may have to be considered. Typically these type of handguns have shorter barrels (reduced ballistics) and at times questionable reliability. |
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