Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > INTERESTS AND ACTIVITIES > Ammo and Reloading
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Ammo and Reloading Factory Ammunition, Reloading, Components, Load Data and more.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-16-2017, 5:39 PM
TheGaut TheGaut is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Pinnacle Peak, AZ
Posts: 190
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default Kinda went nuts on my reloading setup during Christmas...

How to optimally use 2 Dillon XL650...

I currently run one for case prep and one for reloading... seems to work efficiently.

suggestions?




Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-16-2017, 5:46 PM
kriller134 kriller134 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THE OC
Posts: 1,273
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Damn that's a nice setup. I'm jealous.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-16-2017, 7:11 PM
RogerOrange's Avatar
RogerOrange RogerOrange is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 320
iTrader: 1 / 67%
Default

Very nice, more light perhaps?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-16-2017, 7:40 PM
Dragginpanda Dragginpanda is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 522
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

Nice Christmas presents.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-16-2017, 7:51 PM
67Cuda's Avatar
67Cuda 67Cuda is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,584
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Your not married, right?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-16-2017, 7:56 PM
xMAC1x xMAC1x is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: socal
Posts: 894
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Wow very nice.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-16-2017, 8:14 PM
steel30's Avatar
steel30 steel30 is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Murrieta
Posts: 2,028
iTrader: 211 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 67Cuda View Post
Your not married, right?
LoL!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-16-2017, 8:17 PM
.45heat's Avatar
.45heat .45heat is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: L.A., Alhambra, Pasadena, SG Valley
Posts: 188
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Nice Setup!!
__________________
-Worst Fear, Dying and My Wife Selling My Guns For What I Told Her I Bought Them For
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-16-2017, 8:41 PM
Whiterabbit Whiterabbit is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 7,554
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

how to efficiently use?

One set up for small primer, one for large. The one with the case feeder is small primer and used for case prep and pistol and 223. the other one is used for large rifle. It eventually gets a case feeder for large pistol.

prep is really dominated by the universal decap. Not much else to do. trim die I guess

next step after that is to get bullet feed equipment up.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-17-2017, 1:44 AM
MarikinaMan MarikinaMan is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,866
iTrader: 28 / 100%
Default

For case prep, do a pre-wash of the cases in a rotary tumbler with no steel pins, dry, then run them through a tool head that resizes, deprimes, swages and trims.

Depending on the quality of the trimmer, you can go straight to a wet tumble and dry the cases before the reload step.

If the trimmer doesnt deburr and chamfer, you'll need to do that before the wet tumbling process.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-17-2017, 2:27 AM
csshih's Avatar
csshih csshih is offline
Casual Plinker
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 667
iTrader: 35 / 100%
Default

Why no steel pins? What should I use as an alternative?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-17-2017, 2:09 PM
TheGaut TheGaut is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Pinnacle Peak, AZ
Posts: 190
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiterabbit View Post
how to efficiently use?

One set up for small primer, one for large. The one with the case feeder is small primer and used for case prep and pistol and 223. the other one is used for large rifle. It eventually gets a case feeder for large pistol.

prep is really dominated by the universal decap. Not much else to do. trim die I guess

next step after that is to get bullet feed equipment up.
Thanks dude, that makes the most sense. Swapping primer disk is by far the most time consuming swap. Rest is easy.

To trim, I use that "lil Badger" adapter with a Bosh router and milling bit, all mounted on a Dillon trimming die.

LOL and yea smart dude I'm married.. work from home and don't sleep a lot. It's my excuse to hang in the garage while drinking myself to death.


I've been reloading for a few years now and cleaning is where I feel you need to do it at scale. I use 3.5 cu/ft cement mixer with steel pins, dish soap, lemishine and call it a day. The mixer makes it easy to do large batches and rinse without buckets

Once the brass is fully processed, I throw it in the dry media vibrating with polishing liquid. Gives a brand new look. Pistol rounds I usually throw live rounds in the vibrating bowl. "but what if a round goes off"... no way and if it does, better in the cleaning shed than in my face.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-17-2017, 2:25 PM
Whiterabbit Whiterabbit is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 7,554
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGaut View Post
LOL and yea smart dude I'm married.. work from home and don't sleep a lot. It's my excuse to hang in the garage while drinking myself to death.

We have a lot in common. I like your style.

OK, so I have to ask you now. Do you have a pic of your trim setup? I want to see how you mounted a router to a die.

And I've mused for a long time about stainless pins run in an an angled bin, interested in hearing how it's working for you. Specifically, how noisy is it? Would you be OK with working in the same space your tumbler is running, could you hear the radio, etc?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-17-2017, 2:41 PM
bigdawg86's Avatar
bigdawg86 bigdawg86 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,554
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

I wish I could get a 1050 just for brass prep... Decapping, swage, size, trim, all on one press. I'd give my left nut to have a 1050 for prep and 650 for loading.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-17-2017, 2:45 PM
Whiterabbit Whiterabbit is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 7,554
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

I bet a lee loadmaster could be made to work, if you could make a special plug for swaging.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-17-2017, 4:39 PM
MrElectric03's Avatar
MrElectric03 MrElectric03 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Coeur d'Alene ID
Posts: 1,591
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Default

I'll find out soon. Even though I really didn't need it I found a xl650 frame, basically everything but casefeeder, conversions powder measure and primer feed for $200 and couldn't resist. I had the same though on keeping one for Case prep and one for loading, switching primers is easy.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by ar15barrels View Post
So you are throwing out 95% of reality to select the 5% of reality where you are actually right?
We must be on calguns...
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-17-2017, 4:55 PM
XDJYo XDJYo is online now
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NorCal-East Bay
Posts: 5,960
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

Nice set up! As one of the other posters mentioned, you may want to look into a bit more lighting. I just got the LED lights from Ebay. Nice little set up.

Just make sure the center hole in the toolhead is perfectly round and even. Mine isn't and so the light doesn't fit all the way inside. No worry though, it goes in far enough to stay put and throws enough light. It's a much better option than my Fenix E11 that doesn't quite fit in the hole and keeps falling out.
__________________
Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips
Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model
Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes).
M&P 15 (Mine)
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-17-2017, 4:58 PM
71MUSTY's Avatar
71MUSTY 71MUSTY is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 7,026
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 67Cuda View Post
Your not married, right?
Wife told me if I clean the garage and get rid of my three Muscle cars I can have a set up like that.
__________________
Only slaves don't need guns

Quote:
Originally Posted by epilepticninja View Post
Americans vs. Democrats
We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


What doesn't kill me, better run
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-17-2017, 8:00 PM
67Cuda's Avatar
67Cuda 67Cuda is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,584
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 71MUSTY View Post
Wife told me if I clean the garage and get rid of my three Muscle cars I can have a set up like that.
Only get rid of the ones that aren't Mopars.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-18-2017, 12:26 PM
TheGaut TheGaut is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Pinnacle Peak, AZ
Posts: 190
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiterabbit View Post
We have a lot in common. I like your style.

OK, so I have to ask you now. Do you have a pic of your trim setup? I want to see how you mounted a router to a die.

And I've mused for a long time about stainless pins run in an an angled bin, interested in hearing how it's working for you. Specifically, how noisy is it? Would you be OK with working in the same space your tumbler is running, could you hear the radio, etc?
Got the adapter from "Fast and Friendly Brass". Good guys, very helpful. They detail all the parts you need
http://fastandfriendlybrass.com/shop...er-adapter/34/

So the adapter looks like this, screws on your router and on the trimming die:




Mounted on the press:




Never really had issues with steel pins getting stuck in cases. I used a cheap Franklin Armory media separator and put a small magnet with the brass. Works great.

Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-18-2017, 8:03 PM
MarikinaMan MarikinaMan is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,866
iTrader: 28 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by csshih View Post
Why no steel pins? What should I use as an alternative?
You wanna do a prewash with soap and water to clean the cases enough to run throught the resizing die. Eschewing the steel simplifies this step, which only takes 15 minutes.

Then after resizing and trimiming, you will now tumble the cases in water, soap, and pins to polish and clean the primer pockets. This will take 1.5 hours.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-18-2017, 8:49 PM
Whiterabbit Whiterabbit is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 7,554
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

how noisy is the tumbler?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-18-2017, 10:04 PM
liber's Avatar
liber liber is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,864
iTrader: 24 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGaut View Post
Thanks dude, that makes the most sense. Swapping primer disk is by far the most time consuming swap. Rest is easy.
That's the way I would use them also. I have a 650, and it's easy enough to have a separate tool head for case prep, as you only need to decap and size. The case feeder is what makes it so useful for case preparation.

You'll definitely want to get a 2nd case feeder.

I have 2 primer setups and just swap out the entire primer system, it's only 2 screws, but if you didn't have to worry about that, it would be that much nicer.
__________________
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/signaturepics/sigpic203197_1.gif
--------- liber --------

From my cold dead end mill...
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-18-2017, 10:32 PM
mindwreck's Avatar
mindwreck mindwreck is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: SGV
Posts: 371
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Nice setup. I wish my bench was that clean..

I have my 2 650s set up just like yours. I swap between calibers on each machine. one does 45/223 other does 9/357/44. I have a toolhead with just a universal decap that i put in either machine(i deprime then wet tumble) and another for case prep for 223.

since both machines run different calibers i set them up so they both have all the bells and whistles.


Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01-19-2017, 9:47 AM
TheGaut TheGaut is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Pinnacle Peak, AZ
Posts: 190
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Nice setup.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01-19-2017, 9:56 AM
NYT's Avatar
NYT NYT is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Auburn, CA
Posts: 3,812
iTrader: 32 / 100%
Default

nice and exactly what i have been thinking of. did you shop around for the 650s or buy from a local shop?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 01-22-2017, 5:55 PM
TheGaut TheGaut is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Pinnacle Peak, AZ
Posts: 190
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYT View Post
nice and exactly what i have been thinking of. did you shop around for the 650s or buy from a local shop?
I got it directly from Dillon. I was actually at their store in Phoenix when I bought the first one. Really nice people.

They gave me a good discount when I bought the second one. An they're not joking about lifetime warranty. I broke an indexer ring, ordered another one (and paid for it). Then got an email that it was under warranty and that the charges were reversed. Good people.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 5:35 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy