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Old 06-25-2010, 6:38 PM
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When I apply for either Police/Sheriff/CHP will they ask me how many guns I own and, if so, does it look bad to have a lot?

I ask because I own 1 pistol and 2 rifles and I would like to by a .22 rifle from Big 5 because it's on sale dirt cheap this week. My fear is that they'll see I have multiple guns and assume I'm some kind of trigger happy cowboy and therefore a liability not worth hiring.

What do you guys think? Should I buy the .22 or will it look bad on an LEO application?
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When I went throught the process, they asked me about my firearms. At the time I had several rifles (3-4). One was a Garand, and the background investigator had to make sure it wasnt an assault weapon. I really dont think they care as long as everything is legit.
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When I went throught the process, they asked me about my firearms. At the time I had several rifles (3-4). One was a Garand, and the background investigator had to make sure it wasnt an assault weapon. I really dont think they care as long as everything is legit.
So I wonder then if they'll have an issue with my BB'd AR? I could recite the penal code to them verifying it's legality. I've asked local cops and they say most in San Jose are AR-friendly but if any one else has some input I'd be glad to hear it.
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Just tell them its a 22.
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Just tell them its a 22.
You mean tell them my 5.56 AR is a .22? I'm not about to lie on my application.
Or if you were just confused by my post: I already have a legit BB'd 5.56 AR and I would be purchasing a new .22 from big 5.
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They only asked me about my registered handguns...They can't see your rifles unless you voluntarily registered them or they're registered assault weapons.

It made for a funny exchange. She started asking me one by one if I owned a .40cal X (yes) and a .45cal Y (yes) and a....(flipping through several pages of printout)...How many guns do you own?!? (A lot...I shoot competitively)..."OK" she says and that was the last I heard of it until my psych. She asked about them and I gave the same answer and that was that. No problem.
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They only asked me about my registered handguns...They can't see your rifles unless you voluntarily registered them or they're registered assault weapons.

It made for a funny exchange. She started asking me one by one if I owned a .40cal X (yes) and a .45cal Y (yes) and a....(flipping through several pages of printout)...How many guns do you own?!? (A lot...I shoot competitively)..."OK" she says and that was the last I heard of it until my psych. She asked about them and I gave the same answer and that was that. No problem.
I figured based on how thorough the background check supposedly is, they'd probably ask about the ones I OWN, not necessarily the ones I registered, but I'm glad to hear others have been in the same boat and everything worked out fine.

Just for S&Giggles, how many guns did you own at the time?
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OP, I'm going to do you a favor, both as a fellow Calgunner and a retired leo. Give me your AR and that way you do not have to worry about anything. I will hold onto it until I believe it is safe to return it to you.
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I figured based on how thorough the background check supposedly is, they'd probably ask about the ones I OWN, not necessarily the ones I registered, but I'm glad to hear others have been in the same boat and everything worked out fine.

Just for S&Giggles, how many guns did you own at the time?
Hmmm...At the time...Probably between 15-20 handguns, but the way DROS works I think it showed all the ones I owned and sold/traded as well, so it probably had 30+ returns. Maybe more. I worked at a gun shop at the time....Like a frigin' kid in a candy store...I'm too tired and angry at breaking my trigger finger to really think about the actual numbers.

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You mean tell them my 5.56 AR is a .22? I'm not about to lie on my application.
Or if you were just confused by my post: I already have a legit BB'd 5.56 AR and I would be purchasing a new .22 from big 5.
Most AR style rifles have a .22cal bore. If your's is chambered in .223 or 5.56 IT IS a .22cal rifle. It is not a .22LR cal rifle though. So, if you word it correctly, you would not be lieing. Also, I would not call yur BB equiped AR an "AR" at all. Just call it a " (insert manufacturer's name) .22cal (or .223 if it makes you happy), semi auto carbine (or rifle)".
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Most AR style rifles have a .22cal bore. If your's is chambered in .223 or 5.56 IT IS a .22cal rifle. It is not a .22LR cal rifle though. So, if you word it correctly, you would not be lieing. Also, I would not call yur BB equiped AR an "AR" at all. Just call it a " (insert manufacturer's name) .22cal (or .223 if it makes you happy), semi auto carbine (or rifle)".
IGNORE THIS !!!! If you want to be a LEO, don't fall for idiotic word games. It is the same as lying and will get you DQ'd faster than hot brass will burn your skin.

Feel free to list your Stag/Spikes/Whatever OLL as a .223 semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an AR-15 by definition, so don't call it one.

And don't worry about getting the .22. Buy it and enjoy it.
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IGNORE THIS !!!! If you want to be a LEO, don't fall for idiotic word games. It is the same as lying and will get you DQ'd faster than hot brass will burn your skin.

Feel free to list your Stag/Spikes/Whatever OLL as a .223 semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an AR-15 by definition, so don't call it one.

And don't worry about getting the .22. Buy it and enjoy it.
Thanks. That's essentially what I was gonna do. This is something I take very seriously and is very important to me and the last thing I want to do is jeopardize it by playing word games. I'll just list it as it says on my receiver, no more, no less. If they ask more about it, I'll tell them it's an California legal AR-pattern rifle. If that's unacceptable to them, then so be it. I'd rather get rejected by one department than blacklist myself from ALL of them by lying.
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Most AR style rifles have a .22cal bore. If your's is chambered in .223 or 5.56 IT IS a .22cal rifle. It is not a .22LR cal rifle though. So, if you word it correctly, you would not be lieing. Also, I would not call yur BB equiped AR an "AR" at all. Just call it a " (insert manufacturer's name) .22cal (or .223 if it makes you happy), semi auto carbine (or rifle)".
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IGNORE THIS !!!! If you want to be a LEO, don't fall for idiotic word games. It is the same as lying and will get you DQ'd faster than hot brass will burn your skin.

Feel free to list your Stag/Spikes/Whatever OLL as a .223 semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an AR-15 by definition, so don't call it one.

And don't worry about getting the .22. Buy it and enjoy it.

So, you first tell the OP to ignore my post and then you give him the same advice sans the "caliber" designation.

If you look at the OP's post that I had qouted, he thought that it would be a lie to call a 5.56 rifle a .22cal. It is not a lie. The barrel is mode to expel .22cal bullets plain and simple. I was trying to educate him about his rifle. It appears that he did not understand that a .223, 5.56, 5.7, .22 Hornet, .22-250, 22WRM, .22short, .22long, .22CB cap, .22lr, etc. all have .22 cal bore diameters. It's his choice how he chooses to designate the "caliber" of his rilfes as long as he does not lie about it.

Please note that I never said that he should lie or play any word games. In fact, I even said that he can call it a .223 cal if it makes him happy.

If I understand you correctly, according to your advise, he should ONLY call his rifle a .223 cal? If it is marked 5.56, wouldn't he be lieing? They are not the same round and have different specs. Of course, they both expel .22cal projectiles.

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I would not ever encourage you to lie on your application. I have not seen the rifle in question so, I do not know the exact chambering of your upper. I assumed it was a .22cal of some sort though. If you are really concerned about what caliber designation you should use, look at the barrel. IT should be there. If you don't want to use that, remove the upper and find a .17cal upper for it. Or, let me know and I will loan you a dedicated .22lr upper for a few months.
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Most AR style rifles have a .22cal bore. If your's is chambered in .223 or 5.56 IT IS a .22cal rifle. It is not a .22LR cal rifle though. So, if you word it correctly, you would not be lieing. Also, I would not call yur BB equiped AR an "AR" at all. Just call it a " (insert manufacturer's name) .22cal (or .223 if it makes you happy), semi auto carbine (or rifle)".
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IGNORE THIS !!!! If you want to be a LEO, don't fall for idiotic word games. It is the same as lying and will get you DQ'd faster than hot brass will burn your skin.

Feel free to list your Stag/Spikes/Whatever OLL as a .223 semi-automatic rifle. It is NOT an AR-15 by definition, so don't call it one.

And don't worry about getting the .22. Buy it and enjoy it.
I'm in the process with a few depts right now. Don't fabricate anything or play word games. Follow RonSolo's advise.
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They knew I was shooting competitions. They knew I had several guns. They saw my trophies and were impressed. Guns were never an issue then.
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Same, I was honest when they asked me. Told them I was a hunter and competitive shooter, some where for competing, some hunting and some were prizes won at matches. They didnt give me any issues about it.
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A handgun and two or three rifles won't raise any red flags. Get the .22 and enjoy it. When I was hired I just had to list the guns I owned on a form that had spaces for model, serial, caliber etc. Weapons handling and marksmanship are an important skill in LE, and you can easily articulate a desire to have a variety of weapons to practice with to even the most liberal of departments. I know that now is not the time to be picky about an agency, but I wouldn't want to work for an agency that frowned upon owning firearms.

I doubt your BB AR-pattern rifle will even be an issue. When you list it, you will simply be putting model, serial, caliber info. If the investigator is aware that what you listed is and AR-pattern, they will most likely know about the legalities of the bullet button. I would be surprised if any of this even came up. You've already stated you know better than to play word games about caliber, and what not. It sure would stink to get DQ'd because you misrepresented a .223 as a .22 and then have that department black list you from other departments. Follow your instincts and you'll do fine.
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When I applied (many moons ago) I disclosed every thing including at least 30 guns including pre 89 registered assault rifles. There were a few questions but no big deal. I suggest being honest. Lying or hiding facts on your application is grounds for dismissal if found out and can bite you in the *** years later.
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Just wait til they ask you about your sexual habits. LOL
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Just wait til they ask you about your sexual habits. LOL
That sounds like it's gonna be fun.

Thanks, now I have another thing to be paranoid about!
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That sounds like it's gonna be fun.

Thanks, now I have another thing to be paranoid about!
Don't worry, they've heard it all before. Just be honest about anything they ask. Practice answering in an acceptable way. For instance, a friend of mine applied to be a cop, one day before this, a guy kicked in his door and he hit the guy with his baseball bat, defending his property and possibly life. Well, he didn't word it correctly and failed the psych cause he was "too violent". But he's a standup guy and not prone to violence, he only knows when to take care of business. So, practice some answers.
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When I apply for either Police/Sheriff/CHP will they ask me how many guns I own and, if so, does it look bad to have a lot?

I ask because I own 1 pistol and 2 rifles and I would like to by a .22 rifle from Big 5 because it's on sale dirt cheap this week. My fear is that they'll see I have multiple guns and assume I'm some kind of trigger happy cowboy and therefore a liability not worth hiring.

What do you guys think? Should I buy the .22 or will it look bad on an LEO application?
I wouldn't think three or four guns would even raise an issue. I do know for a fact that a lot of the questions on a background check are just to test your honesty and there sometimes aren't any right or wrong answers.

I went through a LE background check and passed but I wasn't asked any questions about firearms. This was about 10 years ago so it's probably changed for many departments or agencies.

I would not worry about a thing unless you actually are some trigger happy cowboy!
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I remeber being asked if I own firearms and I said yes. there was no problem throughout the hiring process. during my psyc exam i had to explain that i was not collecting guns for illegal reasons, but rather to have them for hunting and fun.
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I remeber being asked if I own firearms and I said yes. there was no problem throughout the hiring process. during my psyc exam i had to explain that i was not collecting guns for illegal reasons, but rather to have them for hunting and fun.
The psych part is what I was more concerned about than anything. I don't really have a good reason like hunting/collecting/competition. I just enjoy going to the shooting range! I suppose there's the element of self defense too, but I have dogs that would scare any intruders away long before I'd ever have to go to my firearms.
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The psych part is what I was more concerned about than anything. I don't really have a good reason like hunting/collecting/competition. I just enjoy going to the shooting range! I suppose there's the element of self defense too, but I have dogs that would scare any intruders away long before I'd ever have to go to my firearms.
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When going through POST your strong firearms knowledge will let you focus on your weaker subjects while in training.
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AFS means Automated Firearms System. The computer system LEO's use to check firearms data base, owners, thefts & etc. To be honest I can get more info about a candidate from one's Facebook, Myspace & etc page than a list of firearms they own. Be careful what you put on there (hint, hint)!!

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AFS means Automated Firearms System. The computer system LEO's use to check firearms data base, owners, thefts & etc. To be honest I can get more info about a candidate from one's Facebook, Myspace & etc page than a list of firearms they own. Be careful what you put on there (hint, hint)!!
I don't have a myspace/facebook: Call me old fashioned but I like face to face communication with my friends.
-That's not to say I don't enjoy calguns to the fullest extent!

I am, however, very conscious of what I post online at any site. I tried to practice "think before you speak" as much as I can, both online and in daily life.
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AFS means Automated Firearms System. The computer system LEO's use to check firearms data base, owners, thefts & etc. To be honest I can get more info about a candidate from one's Facebook, Myspace & etc page than a list of firearms they own. Be careful what you put on there (hint, hint)!!
My Son was in our local PD Explorers programs many years ago. One of his fellow Explorers was the Son of a Sheriff's Deputy and was eventually hired as a PD Cadet while he tried to get on with LASD. He failed the Background Check because of some comments posted on his 'Myspace' page. One of his buddies was joking about a pic on the page and referred to him as 'You Gangsta Thug'. The Kid is white and from the Suburbs. The comment referred to a pose in the pic. After LASD rejected him he was fired from the PD because they only want Cadets who might go into LE. They figured if LASD did not want him, neither did they.
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Having completed the one of the departments hiring process you have listed just be honest as you were on here. It is not illegal and if everything is as it should you will be fine. With all your answers just be honest, speak clearly and confidently. Good luck!
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Having completed the one of the departments hiring process you have listed just be honest as you were on here. It is not illegal and if everything is as it should you will be fine. With all your answers just be honest, speak clearly and confidently. Good luck!
Thank you Dave Dog, posts like yours give me confidence. And thank you for reading the whole thread (or at least enough to make a reasonable judgment about me), I seem to remember posting several times that I have no reason or nor intention to lie on my application yet people keep telling me not to.
Either people are just too lazy to read any of my prior posts or there is an abundant enough occurrence of people lying on LEO applications to warrant posting it over and over and over again.

In any case, if someone had an inclination to lie about ANYTHING on an LEO application, they have no business becoming one. I'd say the top issue most Californians have with law enforcement in our state is a lack of integrity, as is evidenced by the numerous "cop bashing" threads that have occurred on calguns in the past. Their number one priority should be to promote and attract honest applicants, otherwise all the negative stereotypes about cops will be perpetuated.
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Old 06-30-2010, 4:11 AM
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Either people are just too lazy to read any of my prior posts or there is an abundant enough occurrence of people lying on LEO applications to warrant posting it over and over and over again.
Honesty is very important. How credible will you be when you testify in court?

Nobody is saying you're lying. That's up to the background investigator to find out. People are just reminding you.

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Old 06-30-2010, 8:15 AM
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Honesty is very important. How credible will you be when you testify in court?

Nobody is saying you're lying. That's up to the background investigator to find out. People are just reminding you.
I understand. Maybe I'm just being defensive. It's not fun being told "don't lie!" when you're not a liar. But I suppose the people on Calguns don't know me on a personal level and therefore can't vouch for my integrity, and that is excellent advice to give anyone in my position. Thanks guys!
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