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tacticalcity, thanks for using paragraphs
Hopefully Olive will take note how much easier your long post is to read than her long endless run of words. |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Day 2, OP has FS people inspect gun, gun is fine and passes inspection. gets looked at a second time, still passes. Then, 3rd FS guy sees that the plunger spring wasn't swapped out and decides that the gun is unsafe. This 3rd guy yesterday didn't think it was the plunger spring that could have caused the problem, but thought it was the trigger. the question is, why did the gun guy deem it unsafe? was the plunger spring really bad? He didn't think so yesterday. If he deemed it unsafe for no valid reason, he started the chain of events that followed. And, yes the annoucemnet against swapping parts might have been excessive, but we weren't there to see how it went down. The OP might have thin skin and let it affect her whereas a reasonable person would have just taken the advice for what it was and just gone with things. OP, please use paragraphs next time.
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he deemed it unsafe because it almost went FA the day before . I would of did the same thing |
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That would be like me having an issue with the disconnector spring on an AR causing it to go FA. I look at it and think it was the disconnector itself bad and the armorer thinking it was the hammer (that it couldn't be the disconnector). I go home and find out that the spring was upside down and fix it. go back the next day and the armorer says my gun is unsafe because I didn't change the disconnector Despite the fact that now there is no problem and the gun runs fine. this is the confusing part: Quote:
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were any of the 3 FS people that looked at it Glock Armorers, I dunno.
still wondering why the guy recommended that the plunger spring be replaced when he did not feel that it was the problem? Was there any indication that the gun was still suffering from the same problem?
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OP had 2 backup pistols. I would have definitely use my own backup gun than a loaner though. But that's just me. |
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I've been going to FS for 14 years and never had an experience like you are describing. I have 2 sons, a son in-law, and about a dozen friends who are frequent attendees who also have never had an experience like you describe. Instructors are great, training even better.
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Can I please say "try using an iPhone" for my lack of paragraph usage... Anyway u guys seem to be missing the real point. ... Frontsight isn't worth all the hype... IMH... In my opinion is the emphasized expression.
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Seriously, I think it was just a bad day and that happens.
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I can type perfect paragraphs with my iphone
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Seriously? There were 850 students at my last class....Thats funny.
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Sorry to hear about your experience. I have been several times, just got back from a class this Dec, and have always had a great experience. I did have a malfunction once and 3 range masters work on the pistol while I used my back up. Got me back up and running.
Go find Wes. I forget his last name, but he is the head guy out there. Explain to him what is going on. He might be able to help. |
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Its a great system and at the begining of the first day, they go through the motions teaching everyone how to prevent/stop, etc safety violations while not on the firing line. If some beginer trys to turn and muzzle someone behind them, trys to bend over to pick something up or whatever, they are stopped safely in thgeir tracks. The range master gives the commands and monitors students and instructors each monitor half of the firing line going back and forth behind their 10 shooters, assisting those having difficulties. It works out that everyoine gets the personal attention they need. I have never seen anyone not helped as much as they needed. Obviously there are a lot of LE, Military (especially guys getting ready for deployment), competiton experieced, etc., so not everyone needs help at the same time. It works quite well. And I think the best part is that they follow a strict timeline. There is never a bunch of standing around smokin and joking. you get training the whole time your there. If you interested, PM me. Read this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=376006
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Seriously... That place seems freaking crazy!!! To me (again IMO, and if I'm alone in the boat whatever at least I'm not a follower) the guy is planning something that sounds like the three C's there and I'm not talking diamonds... More like cult, commune, and cool-aid!!! Listen to the propaganda AND from what I hear seems like they are going through bad financial (lawsuit) issues... Hmm wonder why.
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You will never see or hear anything but training while at FS. He is not "planning" anything and not spuoting propaganda. Seriously, did you really even attend FS or are you making it up?? I say that because the only people I have ever heard spew this kinda hate crap are those that a) have not attended and b) have an ax to grind. I am sorry that you feel the way you do because your only hurting yourself. Good luck
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I'm not by myself. If you think so then you probably haven't gone too far in research of training. I had numerous individuals.. NRA/POST instructor tells me it's not worth it... And I had many vendors and ppl that have gone saying it was...so I wanted to try it and I did. Public Forum --> free opinion! And you are getting mine. But I have to say it really sucks that many of you are not realizing the effect beginners training has... It's a movement for the whole 2nd amendment:.. What I didn't say in my original post because it was only two days in the course, but two other people walked off the line one the third day and one the last day, to not return... All in all, I honestly don't believe that should ever happen, not with a good instructor anyway... And FS is a reflection of who they hire. I hope all trainers, certified instructors would agree, if u have more than one person walk away in four days, u should change something...
I'm not exzagerating, it Happened. FS 12/13-17/10 class, instructor Goodman. We approached lead instructor and day 3 and 4 were much better for pur group. But 2 students still left the line on days 3 and 4. Excuse no paragraphs but who really cares! Except "those"! Lol kidding No offense to anyone but if you have no other training beside FS please reconsider your posted opinion. That's IMHO. Last edited by OliveCookieMonsta; 12-25-2010 at 7:53 PM.. |
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A couple things I would say regarding your last post..... Its not that I doubt your word....well, maybe Im skeptical that what you are saying is accurate...or maybe not in proper context. Example #1 Students leaving before the end of day four. I have been going for a few years no less then 3 tines a year, but usually closer to five. I am going trip #4 for 2010 in the morning. This puts me in a position of having an idea on what goes on better then you do. Students will quit on a 4 day class is because they cant handle 4 days of solid training. There are older people that dont have the stamina and people who cant deal with the heat and others that didnt expect the pace. Next, some annonmous NRA/POST instructor (you see how problematic it is for us to take seriously, right? ) says "its not worth it?" Yet all those other Venders, etc. said it was. Were the others who actually went lying, or was the instructor you said you talked to full of it? "But I have to say it really sucks that many of you are not realizing the effect beginners training has... It's a movement for the whole 2nd amendment:.." is all I can come up with on this one. You know not what you say on this one. Look, im not going to argue with you anymore. Since a negative report from someone who has actually been to FS is rare, I would chalk it up to a bad day. Your bad day or the staffs bad day or maybe the stars were not lined up properly when you were there. But you shouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water is all im sayin. The training is solid and better then what I had in the Police Academy and ASI hands down.
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"Students will quit on a 4 day class is because they cant handle 4 days of solid training. There are older people that dont have the stamina and people who cant deal with the heat and others that didnt expect the pace.."
I'm not arguing... But however many years you have been to FS doesnt excuse The ill treatment of ANYONE. Age, race, or sex! Be concious of the "big head" of yours because u are no better than an man women youth... Anyone interested in guns or training shouldn't be turned away, neglected, or treated unfairly. Last edited by OliveCookieMonsta; 12-25-2010 at 9:00 PM.. |
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And as far as the "Big Head" comment...Is it really necessary to start personal attacks over a difference of opinion?
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So u thought your comment was okay? About "older" people? And "bad" day for four different people?
Either way I didn't mean to personal attack you, it's just my expression, reaction and perception of your postings. That's what this is all about. Thank you for you opinion, I of course disagree but accept your opinion as yours. |
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I said "older people" not old people !hahahah. It wasnt meant as a put down...heck, in a few years, im probably going to be considered in that same catagory.
In a few of my classes I was shooting with folks that were in their 70's. They were even holding their own until the heat and exertion got to them. There are many legitimate reasons not to finish a class was the only point I was trying to make. And to repeat my earlier statement...Maybe it was an instructors "bad day" and not the four students. In any case, with as many students and instructors that FS has, I would imagine there will be some bad apples from time to time. And ill tell you something else, If I was attending and an instructor wasnt acting right, I would not waste time contacting Piazza. He answers his own emails actually and you can even get him on the phone most of the time. He is pretty strict with making reasonable students happy and would most likely fix that problem.
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My wife and I have had nothing but EXCELLENT training at Front Sight. Lance |
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You answered your own question. Rarely will you hear someone (like the OP) have anything bad to say about it. And then, when you do hear bad, its almost always someone that has never been.
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Sorry, your right.
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