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Try give the clerk a courteous call.
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1. GC is work related, travelling to unsafe parts of town, unincorporated/desert area; odd hours during travel driving alone; carry equipment if stolen can be sold easily. 2. I do not know Sheriff Gore or have affiliation with SDSO. 3. I did not donate to Sheriff Gore.
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I used to live in OKC a few years prior to moving back to San Diego, took the class and applied, took them only 3 weeks to issue. My permit was for 10 years. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I was commenting on both. In OKC, it was very simple to get comparing to San Diego. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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San Diego County Gun Owners (Schwartz et al) made a push and Gore played a political game where he said he would loosen up on CCW's in San Diego.
Yes, I am one who put a CCW application in 3 years ago with Peruta and again back in April when a lot of people were saying that things had loosened up. Now that Gore was re-elected, I can tell you that my rejection letter came yesterday with a very vague reference to how they found something during their 'investigation' that "casts doubt on the good moral character criteria...". My 90 days spanned the election and when Dave Meyer did not win, I was even less optimistic. I went through the process hoping that it might happen, full expecting the rejection letter and the ploy by Gore to get votes and collect money from people like me. Your fee (~ $108) is NOT refundable and due upon submitting application. Typical bait and switch by a politician! |
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I believe there is an appeals process. Is there a way to force them to be specific about their issue? At a minimum, I would think you are entitled to that, although that sort of common sense and fairness has little application in this situation.
Anyone else get a rejection for GMC?
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I would talk to SDCGO straight away and get advice.
I would assume they will recommend to appeal, and may ask if you can think of what it is they might be talking about as far as "casting doubt" on GMC. Perhaps some recent documents from others attesting to GMC will remove this "doubt" they write of if presented to them during an appeal. You either are or are not, so "doubt" seems weak enough to appeal them on it. I would press on for sure and good luck.
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Lotta people sucked down The Hero of Ruby Ridge's BS hook, line & sinker.
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Denial came, insufficient good cause. "We encourage you to explore other means of protection."
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Besides, just read others' posts and you will see CGNers are getting CCWs approved by Gore post-election.
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 07-18-2018 at 12:28 PM.. |
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Can you post what your GC was like, but without so much detail that it would ID you? Do you know Gore, either personally or professionally? Have you ever donated to a Gore campaign?
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Can you post what your GC was like, but without so much detail that it would ID you?
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I had my final issuance appointment this morning. I am now a card carrying member of the hidden pistol club.
The card they gave me is a ****ty, laminated 3" x 4" piece of paper. It fits in bi-fold wallet, but to my dismay, will not fit in a money clip/card holder/etc. The gentlemen who handled my issuance appointment was very friendly and forthcoming with all of the questions that I asked. I asked him if he has seen people get rejected recently, and he said yes, which is contrary to what San Diego Gun Owners claims. We discussed people getting rejection letters for having drug/DUI/violent crime convictions (seriously...), and a few for lack of good cause. Some people used "I like to go on hikes in the woods" as their good cause, and that doesn't fly with the CCW panel folks. He confirmed that the vast majority of applicants are getting approval letters. We also discussed the renewal process. He said that its as simple as a single appointment, two years from now. The good cause is determined by the clerk at the appointment, and as long as nothing major has changed from the last issuance, they go ahead and extend your permit that day (as long as you have had the 4 hour training). Edit: One more thing, the guy had 14 files sitting on his desk for people who would be getting their CCW's today. All of the other clerks had the same work load, so A LOT of people are getting permits right now. Last edited by Kraken; 07-18-2018 at 1:36 PM.. Reason: added info |
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Renewal process sounds very good. Hope I get the chance to have that concern. Still waiting the long wait now.
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I would talk to SDCGO for advice on appealing. Can't hurt to explore any possible path forward.
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The current Napa Co sheriff, John R. Robertson, still does not issue CCWs for SD = GC. He's an "enabler" for murderers, just like every other anti CCW sheriff and chief in CA. Napa County Sheriff John R. Robertson But at least Gore is issuing a LOT more CCWs. If history is a guide, San Diego County will not go back to restrictive issuance and will slowly increase their rates of issuance, as will whoever comes after Gore. Quote:
If you happen to communicate with him again, can you ask if/when they will be switching to an online application process?
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 07-20-2018 at 8:39 AM.. |
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Well then - it looks like they need to update the counter. Almost two months later and it still sits at 1492. Congrats to those here who have been successful. Good luck to those in process or in appeal.
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My GUESS is SDSO will be ~2,000 CCWers by the end of this year and ~3,000 (50% increase) by the end of 2019. After that it will depend upon when they'll switch to online application process and scale up the CCW unit (i.e., larger office space, more staff, etc). While those numbers are small compared to the county population, remember when Hutchens started liberalizing OC issuance again, they were down to around only 300 or 400 CCWers. As I posted above, they expect to break 20,000 in 2019.
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No such thing as too late. But work on your good cause first....... https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/
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Also upcoming seminar on the whole process....
https://rangegenius.com/businesses/p...aining/seminar
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In my case, the permit is printed by the clerk, you signed it and right thumb printed. The clerk then took it to the back, folded in half then laminated. Mine is still small enough for my bi-fold wallet.
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Interesting how they do it differently with the laminating/folding. I think it was Veronica who laminated the big ol' thing without folding. Was kinda hoping to keep mine in slim front pocket wallet. |
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Thank you. Are you asking about the 8hrs training course? If so, I went with Bill Desy since my available timing kind of sucks. I enjoyed the qualification, Bill had different scenarios for the 3 guns I qualified for the permit. My clerk was Cynthia, she did a great job on laminating/folding the permit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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My San Diego CCW Experience
I have lurked hear forever. Figured I would save my first post for something good.
The TLDR version is this - I got my CCW in San Diego in about 5 months start to finish. No major issues, although dealing with any municipal type body is always a bit painful. Like all of us, my application process started with an initial consult. Like a few recent posters, I also worked with Cynthia. I have never applied before but felt like the clerk had a good sense within a few moments as to if cause was justified. After a conversation, some initial document review and some assigned homework, I was out the door with feedback that sounded something like - 'If this all is supported, and your background check is clear, you should have a good shot.' My cause is very specific, and from the initial meeting onward I made sure to produce way too much documentation, my version of killing em with kindness. Even in that first meeting, I must have showed up with a typed 2 page cause statement and 100 pages of supporting documentation...not kidding. As an aside, while she was absolutely wonderful to work with, she did get married mid process. This caused her email to change (due to her name change). No notice was given to me, so I shouted into the dark for a while before simply making an appointment to discuss status through the main office phone number. My second interview was only a few weeks later. In this interview I presented my case in detail, provided the needed proofs of employment and residency and started the background check. From there, I waited. And waited. And bought holsters online that I probably could never use. About 3 months later, I missed 3 phone calls while at lunch. They were from a SO official doing a home visit. This was not scheduled in advance and I do not work from home, but fearing this was my only chance, I cleared the day and raced home. He was kind enough to wait, although I can only imagine how many guys miss these appointments if they are just showing up whenever they want. Home visit went like this: SOO: Do you live here? Me: Yea, car opens the garage and front gate. SOO: Nice place. Me: Thanks. So whats the process to verify? SOO: You are verified. Have a nice day. At day 90 I emailed my POC asking for a status update. Another clerk who I had not heard from before let me know that there were some missing documents specific to updated business licenses and residency proof that were required. While this process was underway, I moved houses which caused some confusion but ultimately just meant I had to re-proof my residency at day 92. Additionally I had to clarify some licensing requirements through work which were easy enough. With new docs submitted the new clerk said my application had not yet gone to the panel yet, but that it should 'in a coupled of weeks' So, I put it out of mind again, only to get an approval letter in the mail 5 business days later. Key take aways and FAQ's: - I had three possible justifications. They told me to pick the strongest one to keep things simple. - Yes I did donate to the re-election...max personal donation, and that was for unrelated reasons. - The process needed to be actively managed by me. Be prepared to follow up. Find more paperwork than you think is needed. - I did not avoid buying guns during this time, having bought 2 new AR's. Feel free to ask me anything about the process - happy to help. Last edited by GG vez; 07-30-2018 at 9:50 AM.. |
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Congrats on the successful outcome. It's a strung out ordeal.
Do you know exactly what prompted the home visit? Was it because of the moving plans? I've not heard of home visits before. Just the usual present recent bills.
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I too had not heard of a home visit in SD county, while I believe it is still standard in OC and surrounding areas. I was not told of this ahead of time, and they really did a good job surprising me with it. However, the level of depth beyond me showing I had keys to the gate was non existent.
Although I can't confirm, I would imagine this had to have had something to do with moving mid process. There is that weird 30 days where all you have to show are bank papers and screen shots, prior to SDGE or the city cycling a power or water bill. While they did not ask for these secondary proofs at my new place of residence until 1 day before the app when to the panel it seems to me this may have just been a work around due to my move. If anyone else gets a home visit please let us all know. I would be interested to see how the process is changing given the new volume of approvals etc. |
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I had a home visit earlier in the year. The investigator stopped by when I was out of town. I returned to find his business card stuck in my door with a note to call him. I did and that was all it took. The fact that I found the card at the address I gave was enough for me to be verified and there was no further visit.
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That is classic!
I have heard stories in other counties about not only needing to be at your residence but also having to anecdotally prove you live there (pictures of you and your wife?? Neighbors waving?). I guess we actually have it easier than some |
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Looks like the good folk at San Diego Co Gun Owners are holding more CCW application seminars on Aug 9th, 23rd and Sept 6th.
You snooze, you lose! Details at and tickets through: https://www.facebook.com/events/209828179683986/ Quote:
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Sidewinder,
Can you update us on what has happened since your GMC denial as far as appeals, further information, etc?
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Another home visit report from a friend of a friend this time.
It was unexpected, he happened to be home, he did get the green light later. The closer you get to ninety days from livescan might start to expect it.
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First Interview Today
First interview with SDCS Licensing today. Veronica was my assigned clerk. Here are my take-aways:
1. She made it clear up front that there was going to be a second appointment, even though I brought all the required documentation with me. She claimed the backlog was "overwhelming" and couldn't take that much time with me today. We scheduled the second interview... for Sep 19. Another month just added to the schedule. 2. I brought 2 alternative good cause statements (security clearance/vulnerability, and amateur astronomy in remote backcountry). She appreciated seeing pictures and inventory/value of my astronomy equipment, and the map I provided of my regular observing sites. She also appreciated that I brought a pay stub from my employer who holds my security clearance. Her off-the-cuff assessment of the likelihood of getting my LTC approved is "50% chance". It looks like I'll need to roll both good cause statements into a single page... I don't know if it will increase my chances. 3. I only listed 2 firearms on the application. When I asked about adding a third, she said that could be done as part of the training after I got the approval letter. The firearms listed on proficiency certificate from mandatory training is what will be put on the LTC. For me that's good news. |
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