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Old 10-17-2019, 11:34 PM
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Default City of Los Angeles "Assault Weapon" mandatory buy back!!!

This is no joke. I was on the phone with someone from Paul Koretz's office today. He is a Councilmen representing the Fifth Council District. First he was trying to ban possessing AR's and AK's in Los Angeles, but is trying to change it to a buy back program.
Please help me fight this. I'm trying to compose a letter and post it to the city council website, and I'm going to be one of those lunatics that you see on CSPAN talking to a bunch of politicians that don't care what I have to say. But if this passes in Los Angeles, the rest of the state will follow soon enough.
Here is the website where you can register to get updates about this bill:

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Please help me fight this. I'm actually very afraid of what the future holds when people will let emotions shape laws instead of logic and statistics.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:17 AM
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I would mention how anyone who owns an AW in LA city already went through an extremely lengthy and thorough vetting process by registering them. Doubt he will care. He needs a spanking by a federal judge.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:22 AM
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I would mention how anyone who owns an AW in LA city already went through an extremely lengthy and thorough vetting process by registering them. Doubt he will care. He needs a spanking by a federal judge.
Sorry, I put Assault Weapon in quotes, but I should have been more specific. He want's to ban what he thinks an Assault Weapon is. That's an AR or AK platform rifle to you and me. He's been listening to Beto and believes that's how he will get the votes.
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Sorry, I put Assault Weapon in quotes, but I should have been more specific. He want's to ban what he thinks an Assault Weapon is. That's an AR or AK platform rifle to you and me. He's been listening to Beto and believes that's how he will get the votes.
Pretty sure he will use the penal code definition. Which is exactly what we were required to register after 2016.
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Los Angeles "Assault Weapon" mandatory buy back!!!


Not laughing at you, to be clear. I'm laughing at the politician that thinks anyone who didn't register is going to surrender
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Not laughing at you, to be clear. I'm laughing at the politician that thinks anyone who didn't register is going to surrender
Haha! Love the reply!
But I've been on the phone with his office all week, and they are very serious about "getting guns off the street".
Now I've lived in Los Angeles all my life and I've never had to step over a gun lying in the street. I've stepped over drug needles and human poop, which they don't seem to want to fix, but never stepped over a gun.
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My aunts ambulance ride for a stroke was delayed due to SB23 and my registration for LA.

They need a world of hurt...

All of them.

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Old 10-18-2019, 7:03 AM
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So this clown wants to take "guns off the streets" by confiscating them from law abiding citizens?

how's it going to play out when he sends white police officers into African American communities to forcibly cease firearms from legal gun owners? what will liberals do?? their heads may explode LOL!!
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Old 10-18-2019, 7:12 AM
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Man I hate that "off the streets" crap. Makes it sound like everyone who owns one just keeps it in their trunk or under their coat. Like we're all just loitering, with a rifle in our possession.
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Sounds like LA will be short on officers for awhile and need to buy better body armor.

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You should flip the script on him and say as a gun owner you agree with disarmament. But first the City should lead with this and the first step is for the police to turn In their ARs. I mean they are police and these are weapons of war. They are not soldiers so they should not possess them.
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city council position, aren't they up for election this November?

thankfully these are usually very low turnout for voters so just make sure all gun owners that live in LA city vote for a specific someone else.
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Just move! La county and la city are complete crapholes.
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Note earlier thread - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ghlight=koretz

(New thread is fine - new variation is interesting and different enough that merging into the older one is not needed.)
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city council position, aren't they up for election this November?

thankfully these are usually very low turnout for voters so just make sure all gun owners that live in LA city vote for a specific someone else.
Yeah, you know...

LA city is only 30% white at this point. No one who is conservative can win anything. Whites have zero power and the legally-purchased and owned AR15 is a white guy gun.

And another way to look at it, within LA City, it's 56.1% Democratic, 15.9% Republican, giving Democrats a +40.2% position.

Legal gun owners have zero say in LA city politics.

None.

This is what mass third-world migration does.
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How are any of these programs a "buyback" if you didn't buy it from them in the first place?
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How are any of these programs a "buyback" if you didn't buy it from them in the first place?
You are attempting to use logic to a government bureaucrat who has never used logic or common sense in their lives.

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Thanks for the heads up. Sent a message to Paul Koretz (doubt he'll even care but every bit helps)
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Mandatory buyback = confiscation. Simple as that.

No need to comply, it is unconstitutional.

Off to court we go
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What's always troubled me is why should a state or a county or a city have the power to define a right guaranteed by the Federal Constitution? If anyone is laying out parameters it should be the Federal government.
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Yeah, you know...

LA city is only 30% white at this point. No one who is conservative can win anything. Whites have zero power and the legally-purchased and owned AR15 is a white guy gun.

And another way to look at it, within LA City, it's 56.1% Democratic, 15.9% Republican, giving Democrats a +40.2% position.

Legal gun owners have zero say in LA city politics.

None.

This is what mass third-world migration does.
There's no such thing as a "white guy gun". Also there is a lot more non-Democrats in LA, it's just that none of them votes because there's no point. I get that that comment shouldn't be said because "of course there's no point if you don't go vote" but it's essentially impossible to balance the LA city government, just like it's impossible to balance out the SF city government.


Also the university I go to (in LA, not saying which one) does not have a republican (or any sort of conservative) club, it's only democrat groups/clubs. Nobody wants to start the ****-fest that would ensue that could result in academic punishments for the club starters (because they might "provoke" others). There is almost no point in trying in LA when it comes to the city government.
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You know how white people vote. They just move and take the economy with them. Kortez has to get the guns off the street because when Los Angeles can keep handing out freebies promised by Kortez and the others something is going to break loose. when is kortez going to make it illegal to leave Los Angeles ue to an economic emergency? What other hair brained ideas is he going to come up with?
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Yeah, you know...

LA city is only 30% white at this point. No one who is conservative can win anything. Whites have zero power and the legally-purchased and owned AR15 is a white guy gun.

And another way to look at it, within LA City, it's 56.1% Democratic, 15.9% Republican, giving Democrats a +40.2% position.

Legal gun owners have zero say in LA city politics.

None.

This is what mass third-world migration does.
i don't think only white people can be conservative.

plus as stated, low voter turnout applies equally to both sides. so as long as you can convince more republican voters to actually go vote, there is a small chance to out-vote the D's

i mean for Prop 63, the No vote only lost by around 1.5 million. it was like 6.5 mil Yes to 5 mil No's on this anti-gun prop. and that was for LA County. It could have gone our way if more people actually went out to vote. I remember the threads on calguns where the volunteers stated many gun people would turn their nose at the idea of even registering to vote cause "they didn't want the man to know about them". so imagine how many of those gun-fudders are in LA County and CA as a whole, then their friends/family that also think like them.

voter apathy is a double edged sword. and the pro-2a folks need to make it cut only 1 way by getting more people to vote and registered to vote.
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How are any of these programs a "buyback" if you didn't buy it from them in the first place?


See, this is what happens when peasants start trying to think.

You don’t have rights. Every so called right is actually a gift from the state. You didn’t earn money. The government let you keep some of it. You don’t own that car. The government lets you drive it. You don’t own your house. The government lets you live there.

Think I’m kidding? Try this. You need a drivers license. The government taxes income. And try not paying your property taxes.

So, as you can see, you sir are a peasant. You own nothing and have nothing without state approval and granting. So yes, it is a buyback. You should be happy they’re buying.
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i don't think only white people can be conservative.
And I don't think only men can be firefighters. But a striking majority of women are going to fail the physical requirements.
The "not all" argument is sophistry. Just check the statistics for your answer.

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how's it going to play out when he sends white police officers into African American communities to forcibly cease firearms from legal gun owners?
He doesn't need to. There are plenty of black and especially mexican police officers to do it instead.
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The good councilman can go pound sand. I would love to see the compliance rates.
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What's always troubled me is why should a state or a county or a city have the power to define a right guaranteed by the Federal Constitution? If anyone is laying out parameters it should be the Federal government.
Cities do what they want.. They don't consider constitutionality.. It remains in-force until someone brings it to a federal court (if and when)... Who knows what a CA federal court would decide... In the meantime you're a felon in LA.
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My aunts ambulance ride for a stroke was delayed due to SB23 and my registration for LA.

They need a world of hurt...

All of them.

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That’s awful. I’d be interested to hear the story though
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My aunts ambulance ride for a stroke was delayed due to SB23 and my registration for LA.

They need a world of hurt...

All of them.

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If this happened that is a very troubling story.

And you really need to get that out to California gun owners.

Details please.

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It was printed in American Survival magazine and I talked to the California NRA years ago when it happened.

It just shows up as RAW at the premises on their computer, and they delayed her transport until I showed that my weapons were secured.

LAPD, SD, and FD can go all eat a bag of dicks and choke on it along with Roberto Rossi, Bill Lockyear and the rest that voted in SB23 and all of these unjust laws.

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city council position, aren't they up for election this November?

thankfully these are usually very low turnout for voters so just make sure all gun owners that live in LA city vote for a specific someone else.
That's nice....


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OP next time on the phone with these nits, ask how big a donation they are aiming to give NRA via the courts.
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Thats very disturbing that they would delay emergency care due to the presence of an " assault weapon ".
How is this any more dangerous than a semi auto shotgun that they dont know about.
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It was printed in American Survival magazine and I talked to the California NRA years ago when it happened.

It just shows up as RAW at the premises on their computer, and they delayed her transport until I showed that my weapons were secured.
I'd be interested in reading that if you want to provide a link or a copy here. I don't keep up on this stuff that much lately... I do recall hearing several years ago that L.A. police have access to the pistol database from the laptops in their cars; and law enforcement officers in offices having access to the prohibited persons database. But ambulances having access to the assault weapon database, that would be really surprising... well maybe "surprising" is too strong a word.
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Thanks for the heads up. Sent a message to Paul Koretz (doubt he'll even care but every bit helps)
I'm so glad you sent a message to Paul Koretz! I'm sending a paper letter to all the councel people and then following up with email and then trying to upload it to this link if I can:

https://cityclerk.lacity.org/lacityc...number=19-0883

Thank you all for showing interest in this. If we really can get enough gun owners to scare him by voting him out, it may stop the next tyrant from trying the same thing. I just don't know how to organize something like this.
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This is a link to all the councilmen that I am sending mail, email, and placing phone calls to. If enough of them hear the facts, statics, and know that they will be voted out, maybe some of them will vote against this bill. I mean, how can you worry about a rifle that makes up for less than 300 deaths a year, when 360,000 + people are dying of heart disease every year? Take away McDonalds first if saving lives is really what this is about!
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Is there any chance of starting a recall on this guy and put the others on notice it could happen to them. That if it means their jobs in order to protect your families they are as good as unemployed and those that are willing to let criminals kill their families are not welcome. we don't need cops to solve crimes but we do need cops to prevent them by being everywhere and very visible.
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This is a link to all the councilmen that I am sending mail, email, and placing phone calls to. If enough of them hear the facts, statics, and know that they will be voted out, maybe some of them will vote against this bill.
No.

When the Sunnyvale City Council held hearings on jailing high capacity magazine owners for six months the council members were sympathetic to their reasons.

One tearfully said "People owning these things make me sad."

When it was pointed out the ban would make no difference, another responded "It's important to send a message."

When the City Council didn't cave, Michael Bloomberg funded a ballot measure which passed 67% to 33%.

Facts don't matter, just feelings.

The urban super majority with no exposure to guns beyond media reports of people killing each other and Hollywood writers following the Entertainment Industries Council gun violence depiction guide understandably supports gun control and aren't going to vote the perpetrators out of office.

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I mean, how can you worry about a rifle that makes up for less than 300 deaths a year, when 360,000 + people are dying of heart disease every year? Take away McDonalds first if saving lives is really what this is about!
Here's the link:
Hamburgers weren't designed to kill people.

Our only hope is holding the Presidency and Senate so we can solve this in the courts before enough states urbanize their legislators turn the Senate Democratic, like Washington (Seattle/Tacoma), Nevada (Las Vegas), Colorado (50/50 due to Denver), etc.

SCOTUS is now 5-4 conservative, with liberal Justice Ginsburg 86 and recovering from her fourth bout with cancer.

13 of 29 Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals judges are now conservative.

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No.

When the Sunnyvale City Council held hearings on jailing high capacity magazine owners for six months the council members were sympathetic to their reasons.

One tearfully said "People owning these things make me sad."

When it was pointed out the ban would make no difference, another responded "It's important to send a message."

When the City Council didn't cave, Michael Bloomberg funded a ballot measure which passed 67% to 33%.

Facts don't matter, just feelings.

The urban super majority with no exposure to guns beyond media reports of people killing each other and Hollywood writers following the Entertainment Industries Council gun violence depiction guide understandably supports gun control and aren't going to vote the perpetrators out of office.



Hamburgers weren't designed to kill people.

Our only hope is holding the Presidency and Senate so we can solve this in the courts before enough states urbanize their legislators turn the Senate Democratic, like Washington (Seattle/Tacoma), Nevada (Las Vegas), Colorado (50/50 due to Denver), etc.

SCOTUS is now 5-4 conservative, with liberal Justice Ginsburg 86 and recovering from her fourth bout with cancer.

13 of 29 Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals judges are now conservative.

Well said! Sad but true.
I just hope I didn't waist my life being a law abiding citizen only to be made a felon by my councilmen changing laws while I sleep. I mean, think of all the fun felonies I could have committed! Haha!
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Is there any chance of starting a recall on this guy and put the others on notice it could happen to them. That if it means their jobs in order to protect your families they are as good as unemployed and those that are willing to let criminals kill their families are not welcome. we don't need cops to solve crimes but we do need cops to prevent them by being everywhere and very visible.
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