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Old 10-17-2019, 7:50 PM
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I thought I remember reading a story about a SoCal couple whose guns were seized because the wife was on prescription antidepressant medication. But I can't find anything to verify that.

Is a cohabitant on Prescription Antidepressants grounds for confiscation? Link or source?

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I thought I remember reading a story about a SoCal couple whose guns were seized because the wife was on prescription antidepressant medication. But I can't find anything to verify that.

Is a cohabitant on Prescription Antidepressants grounds for confiscation? Link or source?

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I’d say give it time and it just might. Seeing as law abiding citizens get the shaft, that I can see some mental health laws eventually rolling down the pipe. Mental health screenings or whatever as long as you live in a blue state/democrat state anything can become a law no matter how idiotic it sounds.
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I thought I remember reading a story about a SoCal couple whose guns were seized because the wife was on prescription antidepressant medication. But I can't find anything to verify that.


Is a cohabitant on Prescription Antidepressants grounds for confiscation? Link or source?

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Antidepressants are prescribed for other issues besides depression, chronic pain being one. If you had a condition that a antidepressant may be beneficial to you, would risk getting treatment if you thought there might be a knock at your door to collect any firearms you had?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-drugs-n695141

https://www.mayoclinic.org/pain-medi...s/art-20045647
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It's possible if there is more going on than just antidepressants. If say for example both were 5150 or restraining order
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"The combination of guns and alcohol is especially dangerous, and far too little has been done to address it. Federal law doesn’t restrict access to guns by people with a history of alcohol abuse, and fewer than half of U.S. states impose prohibitions of this kind. The risks to public safety are increasingly clear, and the issue demands more careful attention than lawmakers have allowed up to now."

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I thought I remember reading a story about a SoCal couple whose guns were seized because the wife was on prescription antidepressant medication. But I can't find anything to verify that.

Is a cohabitant on Prescription Antidepressants grounds for confiscation? Link or source?

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I believe this is the story you are referring to.

The woman voluntarily checked into a facility to have her meds adjusted.

The facility mistakenly reported that she was involuntarily committed.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/0...ns-confiscated
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I believe this is the story you are referring to.

The woman voluntarily checked into a facility to have her meds adjusted.

The facility mistakenly reported that she was involuntarily committed.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/0...ns-confiscated
This scenario sounds like what could have happened
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Is it possible that these laws will push gun owners into the underground anti-depressant market? Avoid seeking medical help? I'm thinking of the liberals argument against restricting abortion because it will push women into dark alleys with coat hangers. Use their own tactics against them. Remember, these are the same people who hand out needles to drug addicts.
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I thought I remember reading a story about a SoCal couple whose guns were seized because the wife was on prescription antidepressant medication. But I can't find anything to verify that.

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Not currently. But now that we have red-flag laws on the books, expect them to start expanding the definitions to include your situation in the future. Eventually red-flag laws will include disqualifiers for all civilians. That's how they will ban guns.
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I really doubt being on meds will be the sole reason for confiscation, I would hope living with someone on meds wouldnt be a problem either.
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I believe this is the story you are referring to.

The woman voluntarily checked into a facility to have her meds adjusted.

The facility mistakenly reported that she was involuntarily committed.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/0...ns-confiscated
I think that's it. Thank you!
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No way. People have real issues that sometimes require them. What happens is a spouse dies or you get a cancer diagnosis? People get depressed for good reasons and it’s usually temporary. It’s not enough of a basis for anyone to take guns away. They’re used for mild anxiety, pain, wieght loss, anti smoking, etc.

You’d have a better argument with a anti-psychotic but usually when someone gets and antipsychotic there’s already been an intervention by the police, family, etc
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in california if you never have cancer you are the rare person. There is initial depression and some people need a little help but nothing that requires taking guns and in the old days if the deputy though it might be an issue because he knew everyone for years he would ask someone in the family to take the guns with them for a while. the cops that lived among us knew us and we always worked things out and nobody got upset or harmed. the old timers would call our current behavior insane.
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There are links between taking antidepressants and mass shootings. As the NRA has repeatedly say, gun violence is a mental health problem, not a gun control problem. People who take antidepressants have mental health problems, whether they be temporary or lifelong. Read this report for what antidepressants can cause people to do.

https://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/violence-report.pdf
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I am pretty sure antidepressants have uses beyond mental health problems.

I have given my cat an antidepressant because it is an appetite stimulant.
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I am pretty sure antidepressants have uses beyond mental health problems.

I have given my cat an antidepressant because it is an appetite stimulant.
Amitriptyline is used for pain control in people with peripheral neuropathy (damaged nerves). Symptoms include pain, a pins-and-needles sensation, numbness, and weakness, usually in the hands & feet. Amitriptyline can greatly reduce the symptoms.
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There are links between taking antidepressants and mass shootings. As the NRA has repeatedly say, gun violence is a mental health problem, not a gun control problem. People who take antidepressants have mental health problems, whether they be temporary or lifelong. Read this report for what antidepressants can cause people to do.

https://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/violence-report.pdf
There are contradictory reports to be found on the internet. There is a natural tendency for one to gravitate towards a report that reinforces ones preconceived ideas/beliefs.
All medications have side effects. Years ago a former coworker of mine, husband was held on a 5150 as a result apprantly some sort of bizarre behavior. He was released in 24hrs. The psychotic episode was caused by uncommon/rare side effect of a pain medication he was prescribed for a shoulder injury.
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A psychiatric patient will definitely be among the first affected by the Red Flag laws. I would even speculate that their doctors would be required to report teatment to the powers to be.

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A psychiatric patient will definitely be among the first affected by the Red Flag laws. I would even speculate that their doctors would be required to report teatment to the powers to be.
A doctor or therapist is already required to report a patient that expresses a explicit intent to harm him/herself or others. But, barring expressing that intent, it would likely be a disincentive for a individual to seek treatment, if the doctor was required to report it.
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Amitriptyline is used for pain control in people with peripheral neuropathy (damaged nerves). Symptoms include pain, a pins-and-needles sensation, numbness, and weakness, usually in the hands & feet. Amitriptyline can greatly reduce the symptoms.
I took nortryptaline for migraine for years. It was a godsend. I just got off it. A migraine dose is much lower that what they’d give for depression
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A doctor or therapist is already required to report a patient that expresses a explicit intent to harm him/herself or others. But, barring expressing that intent, it would likely be a disincentive for a individual to seek treatment, if the doctor was required to report it.
In this case... where they don't seek treatment, they wouldn't have a prescription for an antidepresent... such as Fluoxetine...Red Flag laws will force a patient to choose guns or treatment..
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People who take antidepressants have mental health problems, whether they be temporary or lifelong.
Antidepressants Not Just for Depression Any More

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Depression accounts for only a little more than half the antidepressant prescriptions issued by Quebec physicians during the past decade, the Canadian study found.

Doctors also issued antidepressants to treat anxiety, insomnia, chronic pain, panic disorders, fibromyalgia, migraine, obsessive-compulsive disorders, and a host of other "off-label" conditions for which the drugs are not approved, according to the report...

Antidepressant use in the United States increased almost 400 percent between 1988-1994 and 2005-2008, with the most recent figures showing 11 percent of teens and adults take antidepressants, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Researchers have suspected part of this boom may be that doctors are prescribing antidepressants for off-label indications that haven't been evaluated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Tamblyn said...

Only 55 percent of antidepressant prescriptions were handed out to treat depression, the researchers said...

In several conditions listed, no antidepressant has ever been approved for their treatment, the researchers noted. These include migraine, menopause, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder and digestive system disorders.

Other conditions treated with antidepressants included sexual dysfunction, premenstrual syndrome, post-traumatic stress disorder, urinary problems and bulimia...

In other words, "we shouldn't use antidepressant prescribing as a proxy for depression," Kramer said...
Two of the things which have NOT been noted in this thread are...
  • Why is the cohabitant on antidepressant medication?
  • Does and/or could the cohabitant have access to the firearms?
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I’d say give it time and it just might. Seeing as law abiding citizens get the shaft, that I can see some mental health laws eventually rolling down the pipe. Mental health screenings or whatever as long as you live in a blue state/democrat state anything can become a law no matter how idiotic it sounds.
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I envision a future here in California wherein a medical records screening will be a component of an enhanced background check to legally acquire (and retain) firearms, ammunition, reloading components, certain knives, etc.
Under a socialized medicine mandate, electronic records, etc. will be very easy to be flagged for whatever parameter or value the legislature chooses.
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In this case... where they don't seek treatment, they wouldn't have a prescription for an antidepresent... such as Fluoxetine...Red Flag laws will force a patient to choose guns or treatment..
In other words, in your scenario, want to keep your gun, just don't get risk getting treatment for mental health issue such as depression and hope for the best?
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in california if you never have cancer you are the rare person. There is initial depression and some people need a little help but nothing that requires taking guns and in the old days if the deputy though it might be an issue because he knew everyone for years he would ask someone in the family to take the guns with them for a while. the cops that lived among us knew us and we always worked things out and nobody got upset or harmed. the old timers would call our current behavior insane.
Actually- if this info is correct we’re not doing that bad here:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/sta...ates-by-state/


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There are links between taking antidepressants and mass shootings. As the NRA has repeatedly say, gun violence is a mental health problem, not a gun control problem. People who take antidepressants have mental health problems, whether they be temporary or lifelong. Read this report for what antidepressants can cause people to do.

https://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/violence-report.pdf
Yep.

John Noveske published a list of all the mass shooters and the prescription meds they were taking. He died right after that.

https://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/...y-after-005014
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if mediation is going to be considered then it needs to be done on an individual basis after everything is considered not just the law. The person, how medication impacts them, who can provide a support system and will, the person's doctors, and everything else. One BS law passed in Sacramento by an legislature that probably collectively could not generate enough IQ points to come up to an average IQ level should not be used to judge all people. we are individuals not clones. One law does not fit all. if a legislator wants to talk to a robot go talk to a cop.

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Pretty sure if you are committed they can take your guns but not the spouses as long as the crazy doesn't have access. No key or combination to your safe should be good.
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