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Who locally in the Bay area can I take my CZ 550 Kevlar varmint too and have them, fit a McMillan A3-5 stock, thread the barrel fort muzzle brake, and straighten bolt handle and install badger type knob?

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Jim Ketchum is in Petaluma 707-762-3014 if you want to go north a little bit.
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Left Jim a message.

Looking for

Black McMillan A3-5 stock with a good bedding
Trigger work with TiN coated internals
Polished Tin coated bolt body and extractor claw only with elite series midnight on the rear portion and bolt handle
Threaded barrel for muzzle brake and blended
Straighten bolt handle and thread for custom knob
Ceakote elite series midnight receiver and barrel

If Possible fit a proof research carbon fiber barrel with the above mentioned treatment and cerekote the shiny stuff.


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Black McMillan A3-5 stock with a good bedding
Trigger work with TiN coated internals
Polished Tin coated bolt body and extractor claw only with elite series midnight on the rear portion and bolt handle
Threaded barrel for muzzle brake and blended
Straighten bolt handle and thread for custom knob
Ceakote elite series midnight receiver and barrel

If Possible fit a proof research carbon fiber barrel with the above mentioned treatment and cerekote the shiny stuff.
You would do better to just start with a new round action and build from scratch.
Re-working non-standard parts sucks.

Don't ceracoat the proof barrel!
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Re-working non-standard parts sucks.

Don't ceracoat the proof barrel!


Where might I find just the action for sale,

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.300wm = long action

Big difference between both calibers. Figure out what you want first before looking for a gunsmith.

Randall can get you squared away if you head down south his way; worst case you get a ton of good advice from him based on what your needs are (or what you're attempting to achieve).
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Big difference between both calibers. Figure out what you want first before looking for a gunsmith.



Randall can get you squared away if you head down south his way; worst case you get a ton of good advice from him based on what your needs are (or what you're attempting to achieve).


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Short action 300 WM or 6.5 Creed
Brownell's carries a lot of stuff if you want to window shop.

Careful you don't find yourself diving down the rabbit hole. Or maybe you'll want to, lol. It will go like this: here's a nice action for $400, but with recommended improvements is $600. But for only a couple hundred more you can get a custom action that's somewhat better and doesn't need the improvements. But hey, if you're looking at $800 actions, come give this Super Duper BulletSlammer 5000 a try. Only a few hundred more...
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Brownell's carries a lot of stuff if you want to window shop.



Careful you don't find yourself diving down the rabbit hole. Or maybe you'll want to, lol. It will go like this: here's a nice action for $400, but with recommended improvements is $600. But for only a couple hundred more you can get a custom action that's somewhat better and doesn't need the improvements. But hey, if you're looking at $800 actions, come give this Super Duper BulletSlammer 5000 a try. Only a few hundred more...


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GrabaGun sells actions but you gotta be patient as the prices change all the time.
One day a stainless long action is cheaper than a blued short action then it flips.
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Maybe he just forgot the "S"; 300WSM
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Maybe he just forgot the "S"; 300WSM


I just Wasn't thinking too deeply when I said that, but that is an option, But I am probably going to go for the short action 6.5 Creedmore, possibly a long action 270 depending on if I find a good deal or trade for something.

I do want a 700 and have a CZ 550 Kevlar Varmint with heavy Target barrel, blued 24" barrel sitting on an HS Precision stock with a single set triggerchambered in .308 Win for trade.

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I am probably going to go for the short action 6.5 Creedmore, possibly a long action 270 depending on if I find a good deal or trade for something.

I do want a 700 and have a CZ 550 Kevlar Varmint with heavy Target barrel, blued 24" barrel sitting on an HS Precision stock with a single set triggerchambered in .308 Win for trade.

It'll be a benchrest tactical"cool" gun.
If you want a target/longrange gun and already have a 308, a 6.5 Creedmoor is the most logical solution.
A 270 is a great hunting cartridge, but not such a good longrange/target cartridge.
This is because of the lack of target bullets/ammo available for it.

Define a budget and then we can figure out your comfort level and make parts recommendations.
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I just Wasn't thinking too deeply when I said that, but that is an option, But I am probably going to go for the short action 6.5 Creedmore, possibly a long action 270 depending on if I find a good deal or trade for something.

I do want a 700 and have a CZ 550 Kevlar Varmint with heavy Target barrel, blued 24" barrel sitting on an HS Precision stock with a single set triggerchambered in .308 Win for trade.

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If you want a target/longrange gun and already have a 308, a 6.5 Creedmoor is the most logical solution.
A 270 is a great hunting cartridge, but not such a good longrange/target cartridge.
This is because of the lack of target bullets/ammo available for it.

Define a budget and then we can figure out your comfort level and make parts recommendations.


When ordering a mcmillian stock, is it ideal to order a basic inlet or a full inlet stock?


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When ordering a mcmillian stock, is it ideal to order a basic inlet or a full inlet stock?
Order a full inlet.
Few shops do a full inletting jobs from a blank or basic inlet.
Before you order the stock, decide on the reciever.
There are small differences that effect the inlet.
Things like a side bolt stop or the length/height of the ejection port in the reciever.

Start with the action and work from there.
Once you know what barrel contour you have, then you can order an inletted stock.
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Order a full inlet.

Few shops do a full inletting jobs from a blank or basic inlet.

Before you order the stock, decide on the reciever.

There are small differences that effect the inlet.

Things like a side bolt stop or the length/height of the ejection port in the reciever.



Start with the action and work from there.

Once you know what barrel contour you have, then you can order an inletted stock.


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Definitely call a smith to go over what you are trying to achieve. I believe member "Kendog" is also in the Bay area and knows his stuff. I'm around 3 hours north of the Bay area if you like scenic drives.
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Order a full inlet.
Few shops do a full inletting jobs from a blank or basic inlet.
Before you order the stock, decide on the reciever.
There are small differences that effect the inlet.
Things like a side bolt stop or the length/height of the ejection port in the reciever.

Start with the action and work from there.
Once you know what barrel contour you have, then you can order an inletted stock.
Great advice. Randal definitely knows what he's talking about. Also look into grayboe stocks. Similar to mcmillian at half the cost. Different materials.
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I just Wasn't thinking too deeply when I said that, but that is an option, But I am probably going to go for the short action 6.5 Creedmore, possibly a long action 270 depending on if I find a good deal or trade for something.

I do want a 700 and have a CZ 550 Kevlar Varmint with heavy Target barrel, blued 24" barrel sitting on an HS Precision stock with a single set triggerchambered in .308 Win for trade.

It'll be a benchrest tactical"cool" gun.


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Definitely call a smith to go over what you are trying to achieve. I believe member "Kendog" is also in the Bay area and knows his stuff. I'm around 3 hours north of the Bay area if you like scenic drives.
Kendog is up in the gold country, isn't he?
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Kendog is up in the gold country, isn't he?
Yep. Oakhurst CA to be exact. I am an 01 FFL so shipping is OK.
PTG sells a "blueprinted", whatever that is, Rem 700 short with a mag bolt face and mini 16 extractor that will work fine for 300 WSM, if you want 300 Mag performance in a short action. If available, best to set that caliber up with Badger type bottom metal and AICS type mags. With a Wyatts hunting type box you only get two round capacity, and spotty feeding.
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PTG sells a "blueprinted", whatever that is, Rem 700
It's trued WITHOUT opening up the threads or the receiver bore.
How they magically get the threads straight to the bore that they do not line ream is a mystery to me.
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Just out of curiosity how do you "fix" threads? Like make them tighter or better aligned?

Weld more metal on it and re-cut everything?
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https://youtu.be/hYnjRvT6t44

Watch all the videos by sgr218 he is one of the all time best and has a good voice for videos. He explains why and the order. Most of the other YouTube experts are a waste of money because they don't understand why each operation is important or what it does.
Stan is no longer gunsmithing and the video quality is dated but his rifles are known shooters.
To answer your specific question factory threads are only off a very small amount so oversized threads are cut and the barrel tenon is then also cut with larger in diameter threads. A factory barrel would be a sloppy/loose fit if used.

I also would highly recommend Skkeeter at Billy Goat Machine if you can drive north a few hours. He just barreled up a 338 Lapua Ackley Improved and a 338 Norma Ackley Improved for me a couple weeks ago. I am waiting on a bolt and he will be doing a third 338 for me.
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Watch all the videos by sgr218 he is one of the all time best and has a good voice for videos. He explains why and the order. Most of the other YouTube experts are a waste of money because they don't understand why each operation is important or what it does.
Stan is no longer gunsmithing and the video quality is dated but his rifles are known shooters.
To answer your specific question factory threads are only off a very small amount so oversized threads are cut and the barrel tenon is then also cut with larger in diameter threads. A factory barrel would be a sloppy/loose fit if used.

I also would highly recommend Skkeeter at Billy Goat Machine if you can drive north a few hours. He just barreled up a 338 Lapua Ackley Improved and a 338 Norma Ackley Improved for me a couple weeks ago. I am waiting on a bolt and he will be doing a third 338 for me.


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Just out of curiosity how do you "fix" threads? Like make them tighter or better aligned?

Weld more metal on it and re-cut everything?
Generally gunsmith's just dial in the receiver using a tapered bushing/rod that self centers in the action. The action is trued with dial indicators to have almost zero run out along the bushing/rod. Then they single point cut the threads slightly over sized. Usually a minimal amount, just enough to clean up the threads.

Then a new barrel is installed that has slightly large tenon diameter and matching threads.

There are several other steps that go along with truing a receiver, but that's the gist of the threading part.

I don't think I've heard of anyone truing threads on a receiver with out re-barreling.
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OP, another option for you is Spartan Precision in San Jose. Marc is there pretty much everyday, give him a call to schedule an appointment to stop by. He will be able to build you a rifle easily.

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To the OP, before you commit, you're welcome to shoot my own Spartan Precision built rifle. It happens to be in .308, is in a McMillan A5 stock, and has a 24" barrel to reach. I can consistently shoot in the .4", with a best of .128" (5 shots) so I know it's a shooter. Let me know if you'd like to meet up.
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Too all;

thanks for all of the advice and information, this is Definitely is going to take some research and figuring out what I want, I know nowwhat the wife feels like when she's trying to figure out what to wear before a vacation our something.


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Old 04-29-2018, 11:27 PM
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Kendog does great work. No better out there!
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Here are two stocks in what is called a flattop configuration.
A semi inlet looks like a ball end mill has been run the full length of the stock and no trigger or bolt mortise cuts.

When you order a stock you need to know the tang you will be using even if you order a flattop.
The green Roberts Composite stock is made for a short square tang found on BAT and Borden actions.
The Carolina Sunset McMillan is set-up for a Remington or Remington clone action with a longer tapered tang.
If you put a Remington or clone in the Robertson stock the tang would have three options.
It would stick out the back if the trigger was located correctly.
The trigger would sit too far forward if the tang was fit correctly.
Or lastly if you were using a barrel block you could mill the tang to fit the stock.
Best bet is to know what you are going to use before you order up any parts at all so they all fit together with the least amount of additional work.

Edit: The picture doesn't show it very well but there is a almost straight drop on the short square tang stock and a very gradual slope on a Remington or clone stock.
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Better picture of the two tang types.
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