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POST 7/1/19 DES CHANGES: Any change to 03/COE C&R handgun instant release during PPT?
Yesterday I did a PPT for a C&R handgun and the FFL was able to release it to me. The DROS says 'Private Party Transfer Handgun' for the transaction type and 'Collector' for waiting period exemption. The earliest delivery date was listed as 7/10 and it shows 'delivered'.
So my question is - how did he do it? I don't think the FFL made any calls to get it released. I was asking him to do a dealer transfer but he processed it as a PPT. I would call and ask him but he is always busy so I thought I would ask the FFL braintrust at Calguns first... Has DOJ fixed this in the DES? Last edited by SkyHawk; 07-17-2019 at 10:25 AM.. |
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I have used my FFLs CFD as a waiting period exemption several times. |
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Maybe he did call the help line and get some type of release? Here are some threads about it: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1485167 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1490765 https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1055036 https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=927809 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=13891646 http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=14001048 https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1474456 Last edited by SkyHawk; 07-11-2019 at 2:12 PM.. |
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It used to be a problem, so perhaps it was fixed (a miracle?).
The workaround was to call, but that wouldn't make the DROS be correct, or to not transfer it as a PPT.
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I just did a couple of C&R transfers over the weekend. They were internet transfers, not PPTs. While I was on I did a dummy run for a PPT of a C&R.
Within the "Transaction and Firearm Information" portion of the form it gives you the option of selecting "COLLECTOR" within the 30-day Exemption field. When you do that the COE box pops up. This was just a dummy run so I could not complete it, but with those two fields entered I'm pretty sure you can do an immediate delivery. For the two C&R transfers I did, the "Deliver Gun" option didn't appear until I went back to the main menu and selected the "Deliver Gun" option. I can't remember if that is the way its always been, its been a while since I did an immediate C&R release. I did have a little trouble a while back when I was doing a PPT for 4 handguns, one of which was C&R. I did have to call DOJ to get that one C&R released. Off topic, I noticed that for multiple sales on the new DROS form you add each one to your "Cart" rather than submit each one individually. It all worked though and even gave me the option to "Add Ammunition" to the purchase. Also noticed that the COE field for the dealer auto-populated. |
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This is an upgrade that went into place on 7/1. You can now apparently deliver a C&R immediately in a PPT.
They are also cross referencing DROS to FSC database. If the buyer info doesn't match that in FSC database it will error and not finalize the DROS. This happens when you have a customer with a suffix in the suffix field and it doesn't match FSC data because the FSC system does not have a suffix field. The short term fix is the put the suffix after the last name in the last name field so it matches whatever the FSC issuer used. Crazy, I know. But this was the solution provided by the DES helpline. |
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Thanks very much for all the observations. Having this option will allow me to range out farther for C&R PPTs without having to pre-arrange all types of work-arounds in advance with FFLs.
Of course a lot of FFLs are still oblivious to C&R rules (present company excluded of course) and their eyes glass over when you mention same day release. But this gives me hope! |
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Just to thread hijack a little, but since we are talking changes made to the DES notice that on deliveries of firearms submitted after 7-1-19 in the COE section it auto populates the COE of the person who submitted the DROS not the person doing the delivery? What are you guys doing about this? We are just crossing out the other persons COE number and writing in our own.
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I've experienced this recently. A customer's FSC was issued under her maiden name, but her new DL showed her married name. I ended up running the DROS under her maiden with alias showing her married name. I don't know if this will cause issues, but it will be a test case. She's cool with it, so we shall see. |
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