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Old 10-19-2019, 3:25 PM
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Default Baiting Ground Squirrels Legal?

With an air rifle.

I asked this in the air gun section but I'm not getting much response.

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Old 10-19-2019, 3:27 PM
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Why would you want to kill innocent squirrels?
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Old 10-19-2019, 3:31 PM
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Fuzzy-tailed rats, you mean, or tree-chickens?

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Old 10-19-2019, 3:47 PM
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Baiting of "game animals" for the purpose of "taking" them is illegal.

Burrowing rodents are non game animals and may be killed at any time for pest control purposes.

Who's to say that the wild bird seed on your property is "bait"?
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Illegal to mess with them here. But I don't know. Like my cats I find them attractive targets. I think the cats may be a bad influence.
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Not sure about your county. But, in Monterey County you can go to the agriculture department and get ground squirrel poison.
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They’re Ground Squirrels .......... Come On.

Make sure you use Non Tox Ammo.
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Old 10-19-2019, 7:45 PM
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Get a Squirrelnator
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Old 10-20-2019, 6:46 AM
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Here, see (e):

Quote:
CCR T14-475. Methods of Take for Nongame
Birds and Mammals.
Nongame birds and mammals may be taken in any
manner except as follows:
(a) Poison may not be used.
(b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mam-
mal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically
amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or
sounds may not be used to take any nongame
bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bob-
cats, American crows and starlings.
(c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer,
aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be
taken only with the equipment and ammunition
specified in Section 353 of these regulations.
(d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and
nongame mammals only in accordance with
the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regula-
tions and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish
and Game Code.
(e) No feed, bait or other material capable of at-
tracting a nongame mammal may be placed or
used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of
taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this
section shall prohibit an individual operating in
accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5
from using a dog to follow a trap drag and tak-
ing the nongame mammal caught in that trap.
(f) The take or attempted take of any nongame bird
or nongame mammal with a firearm shall be in
accordance with the use of nonlead projectiles
and ammunition pursuant to Section 250.1 of
these regulations.
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Baiting of ANY game or non game species in California for the purpose of hunting, is illegal. Period.

Next question?
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Baiting of ANY game or non game species in California for the purpose of hunting, is illegal. Period.
Next question?
We can use bait for nongame animals, we just can't use bait with the use of a k9/dog (the regulation uses the phrase, "in conjunction with").

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CCR T14-475. Methods of Take for Nongame
Birds and Mammals.


(e) No feed, bait or other material capable of at-
tracting a nongame mammal may be placed or
used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of
taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this
section shall prohibit an individual operating in
accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5
from using a dog to follow a trap drag and tak-
ing the nongame mammal caught in that trap.

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OK maybe I'm old and all, but I've looked at a bunch of youtube videos and I don't see much difference between a ground squirrel and a tree squirrel. All squirrels look alike to me. I know that sounds biased and politically incorrect. I apologize for any offense taken. I've heard those little guys are quite sensitive.
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OK maybe I'm old and all, but I've looked at a bunch of youtube videos and I don't see much difference between a ground squirrel and a tree squirrel. All squirrels look alike to me. I know that sounds biased and politically incorrect. I apologize for any offense taken. I've heard those little guys are quite sensitive.
I think the eyes are a tell. But I’d go after the ones that retreat into holes in the ground.
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OK maybe I'm old and all, but I've looked at a bunch of youtube videos and I don't see much difference between a ground squirrel and a tree squirrel. All squirrels look alike to me. I know that sounds biased and politically incorrect. I apologize for any offense taken. I've heard those little guys are quite sensitive.
The ground squrell doesn't naturally climb trees, they favor ground near rock or brush piles, fell tree, and open ground, tree squrells are the opposite, they also look different, a ground squrell doesn't have a bushy tail, other ways but diffcult to observe at distance.
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OK maybe I'm old and all, but I've looked at a bunch of youtube videos and I don't see much difference between a ground squirrel and a tree squirrel. All squirrels look alike to me. I know that sounds biased and politically incorrect. I apologize for any offense taken. I've heard those little guys are quite sensitive.
When we moved to our current rural home we would see ground squirrels playing around in a rock pile and thought "...oh, how cute they are with their mannerisms etc."

Uh-huh, uh-huh, until we started seeing all the holes around our foundation from them burrowing.

Our attitude changed and it was all out war to eliminate them.

Tree squirrels are a different matter. They do not burrow but will get on your roof and set up camp if they can find a way under the roof tiles.
Then they also get shot.

They both have their place in nature.....but not around my house.
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OK. Got it. Mine are tree squirrels. Love the way those guys move. Used to be there were only a few around. Now they are all over the place.
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These are ground squirrels and have caused 2 cattle broken legs this past year on the ranch.

As far as non lead ammo it is not required with an air gun and all animals are picked up after being killed. I wouldn't mind using a .22lr but because the only legal ammo in CA is CCI Copper and it's horrible, useless past 50 yards. The PCP air rifle holds a better group at 75 yards. Besides that the rimfire scatters them for an hour or more, with the silenced PCP they hardly notice.
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WILCO squirrel bait, just incase you miss.
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Tree squirrels, specifically gray squirrels, are edible.
Ground squirrels are targets.
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Why would you want to kill innocent squirrels?
Troll? Maybe?
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Did somebody say squirrel?



.223, 55 gr V-max at 3350 fps in case you were wondering.
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That is an ex-squirrel.
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Pining for the fjords, undoubtedly.
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Did somebody say squirrel?



.223, 55 gr V-max at 3350 fps in case you were wondering.
Looks like you pulled that shot just a tad.
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If the "bait" is used as part of a legitimate agricultural operation...

I have some bees kept on a veggie farm. The farmer throws leftover & crop waste in a pile for the squirrels and scatters some poison packets over the top. I'm not advocating this type of indiscriminate poisoning but it certainly makes a nice place to setup and help him out a little. Yes, airgunning is WAY more fun. I'm good to about 50 yards unless I'm using the rangefinder & goofing off. The copper .22LR is crap. Not to mention the ricochets. A .22 pellet can hardly dent a soda can past 200 yards (if you could hit it). That .22LR is still lethal at that range.
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