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Rimfire Firearms .22, .17 and other Rimfire Handguns and Rifles |
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Which would be more fun? 10/22 or M&P 15/22
Ive got a desire to do some rimfire action shooting. I have my eye on a 10/22 with a Magpul Hunter Stock or an M&P 15/22.
What do you think would be more fun? How are fast r mag changes on the 10/22? Is the M&P easy to maintain? Which one would be more accurate to 100yds with the stock barrel? Which one is more reliable? To me, aesthetically, the magpul 10/22 combo has the edge. Opinions and maybe alternatives welcome. Last edited by MarikinaMan; 07-21-2016 at 7:44 PM.. |
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Well if fun is the criteria, hard to beat at 10/22. There are many varieties and an endless number of modifications and aftermarket parts available. Basic stuff like stocks, triggers, extended mag releases, etc. And you can take it as far as you want, with all sorts of barrels from a variety of manufacturers. I have two 10/22s--one with the magpul stock--and with various other mods. I especially like the "trigger job kit" that you can get for about $105 from Kidd Innovative Designs.
Also check out the rimfirecentral.com forum for all sorts of great info. Can't answer your comparatives because I only shot a M&P15-22 one time. |
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I have one smith and 2 rugers.
I like the smith for plinking cans and junk semi-formal type of thing. The ruger for paper punching and shooting the 22lr longish range. One ruger has a scope one has a peep , smith wears a cheap reflex sight. How fast are 10-22 mag changes? Not too bad once you get the hang of it , and you can get an extendend mag release for the 10-22 but I do not like it , one of mine has it and it bumps off of stuff or your hand gets it and can release the mag some what. The smith is easy to maintain , nothing but a blow back 22 that looks like an AR. Most accurate at 100yds with stock barrel and given the same sights? EEKs , don't know. One ruger is more accurate than the other ..... the most accurate may out shoot the smith but the smith will out shoot the other ruger. Which one is more reliable? don't know , they all run very well for me. A jam o matic 22 isn't anything I'd waste time on as life is too short. I'd say the smith is more fun but over a shorter period of time , dunno that's another hard call though. depends on what I feel like doing at the moment.
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You could get the AR look in a 10-22. These are pretty sweet and have more metal and less plastic than the S&W.
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Rifle/models.html |
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You really cannot beat a 10/22. The one thing you will want to modify immediately is the sight. The stock sight is not very good. I recommend either a scope, a red dot sight, or a Tech Sight for the 10/22.
10/22s are the world's most popular .22 rifle for good reason. Fun as heck to shoot, almost infinitely modifiable, and just all-around a really great rifle.
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For your first, buy a 10/22. There's so many aftermarket parts and upgrades your head will spin.
But in the end, buy both.
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If you are only going to get one of the above mentioned, 10/22 for sure. However, if you want that fun factor I would say go 15-22. I think every serious gun enthusiast should have a 10/22 or 795, but little nuances with the 10/22 have always annoyed me. Bolt hold open/release, mag release, kind of a pain to clean, magazines themselves are annoging to carry and load. All these elements can of course be remedied by the aftermarket, adding to the cost of a 10/22.
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What do you think would be more fun? 15-22
How are fast mag changes on the 10/22? not fast for me Is the M&P easy to maintain? easier than 10/22 for me, open up like ar but then again, I don't really clean Which on would be more accurate to 100yds with the stock barrel? about same for me Which one is more reliable? about same for me |
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Which would be more fun? 10/22 or M&P 15/22
That's like asking which child I like best! It really is more a question of what is better at your type of shooting. I have been shooting action rimfire for several years, and I used to compete with a modified S&W15-22, but now I only use a heavily modified 10/22 in a similar configuration to the photo below. It's lighter and faster than the 15-22, and the trigger reset is faster so I can shoot quicker when I need to double tap spinners and such.
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old dog -> 10/22 with huge aftermarket & accessories
young blood -> want AR15 look/feel with ar accessories go M&P15-22 I enjoy both of them, but I haven't shot the ruger for a bit because the 15-22 is still accurate enough for my plinking at Angeles or a place to shoot. FUN factor is more personal - some like big boobs, some like big booties, some like etc. have fun and stay safe regardless of your choice. If you see someone with one ask if they mind to shoot theirs to try one out if you never have shot one
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My 2 cents:
What do you think would be more fun? 15-22 How are fast r mag changes on the 10/22? Decent. An extended magazine release helps. Is the M&P easy to maintain? It's similar to an AR so it takes down the same. Only difference is the bolt but it's a simple design. Which one would be more accurate to 100yds with the stock barrel? 15-22 Which one is more reliable? 15-22 hands down. 10/22 is kind of picky with ammo (prefers CCI) Just IMO. Your experience may vary. Nothing against the 10/22, I own several. Just not happy with Ruger QC, the stock parts and being picky with ammo. The 15-22 is like a fat kid at the buffet - eats all types of ammo with no issue. With that said, if you can, definitely own both.
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My opinion: Get the 10/22.
If you want a 22LR that looks like an AR, than spend the extra money and get a real .223/5.56 AR. .
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the 15/22 is much cooler looking and has way better ergonomics out of the box.
Both are very reliable and durable. 15/22 is much quicker and easier to clean and lubricate. Hard to get spare parts for 15/22. 10/22 can be made as cool looking and almost as ergonomic as the 15/22. If you like to tinker get the ruger, if you just want to shoot and leave gun as it comes from fsctory the 15/22. |
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People always say what a great invention the 10/22 magazine is but I think it's the worst part of the rifle. The MP15-22 has a superb reputation for reliability. I've never had a hassle free rang trip with a 10/22. Too picky about ammo I think.
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Nope. Not looking for looks. I have AR rilfes. The steel galleries in the ranges around me let you shoot 22lr, but not center fire. Also, even on BLM, shooting plates under 50 yards with 223/556 isnt very safe due to potential ricochet. I want the 22lr semi-auto for short range steel plate action shooting practice and games.
Last edited by MarikinaMan; 07-23-2016 at 11:21 PM.. |
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That is like saying..which would be more fun a M1 Carbine or a semi-auto AR-15. Very different rifles. You know how you want to hold the gun and how fast you want to shoot. you decide on the ergonomics you will like the best. My neighbor likes to blow through ammo as fast as he can pull the trigger. So 100 rounds last him about 5 minutes. He has fun and then is done. 100 rounds will last me 45 minutes with the way I shoot.
For action style shooting on the "go"and are comparing stock gun vs stock gun go with the AR style 22. Now these can be had pretty cheap in a hybrid polymer complete gun. As I understand the S&W 22 AR is a pretty good gun. Before they made dedicated 22 LR AR's you had to start with a AR lower and either convert a 5.56 upper with a kit for $150-$200 or buy a dedicated upper that was around $400. My AR-22 is not that much fun because I have to use high velocity plated bullets and still get FTF or FTE at least once every 20 rounds unless using the expensive high velocity stuff like Stingers or Velocitor ammunition. No way will my AR (dedicated tactical Solutions 22 upper, all metal except the handguard) run on the bulk ammo or anything that is not plated. My 3 Ruger 10-22's will digest even the cheapest bulk ammo. So in my stable the "fun" nod goes to my modified Ruger 10-22 but that gun has about $400 worth of upgrades. When just stock it would shoot a 3" group at 75 yards scoped and had a not so great trigger. The real way a Ruger 10-22 shines is that with the same gun you can have a pretty good target gun (heavy barrel, benchrest style competition stock) or swap things out yourself with a screwdriver and allen wrenches and have an AR style gun...or a non-intimidating lightweight walk around the woods and shoot small game and varmint gun. All with the same receiver. And it will run with the cheap bulk pack ammo you can scrounge. With an AR style gun it will always look like an "evil" "assault" rifle. |
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^^^ good stuff. Thanks. Poor reliability is not acceptable.Gonna research if the Mp is widely know to be picky with ammo.
I have a CZ 455 and I can shoot it pretty good. Not the best platform to practice fast target acquisiion and laying down a nice rate of fire. |
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Issue with the 10/22 with the above ammo is that most of the time I get light strikes. If I shoot CCI ammo, then the gun is more reliable. Considering sending the bolt in to CPC to get the bolt reworked.
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The 10/22 is the 1911/AR-15/small block Chevy of the rimfire rifles. Just about every company makes parts for it and you can buy/build one without a single part from Ruger. For accuracy, the 10/22 hands down. There must be at least 12 companies who make match grade barrels. Some even use Lothar/Walther blanks. For ease of cleaning and maintenance, the 15/22, especially if one is familiar with the AR platform. For fun, both. The 10/22 does have many choices for magazines, if you move out of state. Currently, only S&W offers mags for the 15/22, which are very reliable. One other thing, just about every after market AR accessory you find will be compatible with the 15/22, even triggers. Last edited by sirgrumps; 07-24-2016 at 7:41 AM.. |
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The 10/22 Blackhawk! stock and Alangator trimag holder is a great combo...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/215...0-22-synthetic http://www.gandermountain.com/modper...s.cgi?i=731462
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1/4" hole in the rear of the receiver cures that...
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Most of the wear a 22lr' will receive is from the owner cleaning the barrel.
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I have both. Take your pick both can be fun. The 10/22 is the better choice for over all use.
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Sometimes "fun" is shooting a tight group. Though I could get a tighter group with one of my bolt action 22LRs - I can't do it nearly as fast as with this scoped 10/22. This unmodified 10/22 Target model from Ruger required no other investment than a $79 scope. I shot 250 rounds of 5 different brands last Saturday without a single FTF or FTE in this Ruger. While I like my dedicated 22LR uppers - they would have had a least a couple hickups in that same round count - and I never consider it "fun' to get a stove pipe even if it's always on the 10th round.
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I have both and regularly shoot both of them weekly. 15-22 is scoped to 7x and the 10-22 to 9x. I enjoy shooting them equally.
What do you think would be more fun? Both equally. How are fast r mag changes on the 10/22? 15-22 quicker by far. Is the M&P easy to maintain? Initially it gave me fits with misfires and FTE issues. I upgraded to the Volquartsen extractor and started using DuPont Teflon dry lubricant after cleaning (uses this as well in the 10-22s) and have not had any issues for at least a couple of months now. I clean and lube after every other range visit (300-400 rounds). Which one would be more accurate to 100yds with the stock barrel? 10-22 is more accurate at 50 yards, probably due to the slightly more powerful scope. Which one is more reliable? Both are equally reliable. The last issue I had was related to dirty magazines, which I think is often overlooked by many. They both get a steady diet of high velocity ammunition and round nose seems to work better than hollow point. Hope this helps. You can put both in your armory equipped nicely for less than a grand. |
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I had a 10/22 Stainless that I thought I would never part ways with... until I got my hands on a Magpul FDE 15-22, and dropped upgrades on it.
Way more fun to shoot. Nothing will ever be better than a 10/22, but you asked for the fun factor, so that's why I'm saying 15-22; definitely no knock on the legendary 10/22. You'll love the 15-22, and you'll be surprised how accurate and reliable it is. Definitely easy to maintain as well. Iron sights, red dot, scope... just fun. |
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Yes, the 10/22 is the king of custom but I'm sorry its not the most common .22 there is... The Marlin 60 has sold over double millions more rifles then the 10/22 and that's not even taking into consideration all its variants production numbers...
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2. Depends on if you have an extended magazine release and the type of magazines you are using. 3. Yes. 4. Ruger 10/22. 5. Ruger 10/22. |
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But I do believe the 10/22 is currently more popular and recommended, that's what I meant |
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M&P15-22 is the gold standard for a reliable 22lr AR. Maybe blocked mags have issues, but I have never seen anyone complain about reliability with M&P15-22 mags or the rifle. I wasn't going to be part of this discussion, but now I am. The M&P is a good .22lr rifle. It has a plastic receiver, is light, fairly accurate, easy to clean and just plain works. For shooting steel in a non-competitive environment it's hard to beat, especially if you like the ergonomics of an AR. I have a 10/22 which I never shoot. It's mostly stock except for some fiber sights and VQ parts in the trigger. I pick it up and it feels so small and toy like. I am building a second one which will have no ruger parts. It has VQ, Tactical Solutions and will either have a Tacsol receiver/bolt or Kidd receiver and bolt. I also have a couple .22lr uppers which run well. I have a TacSol upper and a Taccom upper. The TacSol had a few issues early on. The Taccom has never had a hiccup.
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