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UPDATE!! Look Ma, no batteries! (for my fiber optic red dot)
I used a cheap tasco red dot . All the malfunctions I could find online from other owners were related to the cheap electronics used. Once I removed the electronics I could understand why. They are ... cheap.
The optical quality, looking through the glass, appears acceptable and the quality of the aluminum tube seems fine. After removing the electronics, minus the LED emitter, I realized there was no way I was getting the tube apart to get to the LED. My solution was to drill a hole through the tube in the hopes that I could get the angle and location right to allow the installation of a fiber optic strand. Looks like close is close enough because once I inserted the fiber optic strand into the tube the dot actually looked pretty good! I used an extreme conditions Loctite glue to hold the strand in place, carved a channel around the tube body to lay the strand in and glued it all down. I used the same glue to plug all the holes to keep water and debris out of the tube. Overall it was fairly easy and I ended up with a red dot that doesn't need batteries with a pretty good looking dot that should be acceptably functional. I will edit this once I figure out how the hell to post pictures... I wanted to try a green colored dot. But, instead of a dot i tried to make a circle shaped reticle. I colored the tip of the fiber optic with a sharpie and sanded down the corner with a piece of 400 grit sandpaper. Not perfect but also not easy.
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The tip of the strand is sitting where the LED was before I drilled it out. The dot you see is the tip of the fiber optic strand.
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The only drawback is washout when in a poorly lit area looking into a bright area. Like looking out a window from inside a dark room. Other than that it's great.
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Only difference is if it washes out there is no reticle to fall back on. Or tritium to help in really low light. You can buy small vials called usually called “trits”… flashlight guys love em for modding their lights to make them easy to find. You could try adding one as an alternate light source. Very similar to night sights… |
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How does it look in bright sun?
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It's foggy, overcast and the ground is covered in snow. While outside, against a tree, it's extremely bright but not overexposed. Against the snow it's bright and easily seen but doesn't have the same degree of contrast. Still very useable, though. I cannot comment on how it looks in bright sun because there hasn't been any since I finished the project.
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Finally got to shoot with this thing in bright sunlight. Simply put, it's awesome! Bright sun with white snow as a background, super bright and crisp dot. Bright sun against a variety of backgrounds is the same, super bright and crisp dot. No flaring or any other aberrations.
The dot has proven itself to be extremely visible under all circumstances except typical washout conditions like looking from a dark room into a very bright area.
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Surprisingly it really does perform well in almost all instances. I like that the dot dims as the environment gets darker, though. It's easier on the eyes at night and I don't have to manually adjust anything. There's enough fiber optic material to keep it lit up enough to use when it's dark out.
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That's pretty impressive, you might be onto something (quick patent!)lol
If one strand is this affective coating the entire sight in a fiber optic blanket for say, this would amplify the dot tremendously in the light or in the dark, also this could reduce pricing on these optics by a huge margin.. Great Idea! great job! Quote:
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I added a picture to the first post showing the location of the original LED and the tip of the fiber optic strand.
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It’s no Trijicon, but I like that you got it to work. Points for ingenuity for replacing the powdered emitter with a strand of fiber.
I’m sure you can clean up the dot if you were to polish up the end of the fiber like you would when terminating fiber cables in computer networking. |
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I have been experimenting with modifying the tip of a strand of fiber optic to customize the reticle seen in the objective. By placing a very small opaque dot in the center of the strand I can create a circular shaped reticle. I can increase the size of the circle by heating the tip of the strand and pressing it against a smooth hard surface. By creating an opaque X on the tip of the strand I can make a reticle comprised of four evenly spaced pie slices with the center missing. The hard part is drawing on something smaller than the head of a pin.
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instead of just looping the strand of fiber optic around the top, you should route to directly to the front of the lens and loop it around the forward edge. This will gather light from above as well as light from the direction you are looking which will balance the gathered light. This may help with wash-out since the light gathered will more attuned to the area you are viewing
Great mod, I may have to try these... |
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dam...I used to have a kids microscope that allowed me to engrave my SSN into very small objects. It was required for Aerospace work, all tools must be serialized and accounted for. Ever try serializing a #70 drill bit....
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I never got to use one. I only used a C-More. |
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Thanks, I'm going to look into that. I have been toying with the idea of putting in a backup light to help illuminate the fiber optic during washout.
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This has got to be one of the coolest things I've seen a Calgunner do! I'd love to experiment.....just need to find a shell or broken red dot sight!
Great job!
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Update first post due to changing reticle color and shape.
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Glad you like it.
I like the red dot but it obscured the target after a few dozen yards. I like the idea of an open circle because the target is still visible after the distance increases.
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Very cool project! I definitely want to try this out. I did a quick google search for fiber optic strands, but didn't find any colored strands like yours. Where did you find that stuff?
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Awesome creativity! What motivated you to try this I wonder?
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That is outstanding.
I've noticed the cheap red dots often have astigmatism.. That's probably the optics more than the electronics, but who knows... ? QUESTION: (hope it's not redundant) Have you tried keeping your whole setup intact and placing a tritium in front of the fiberoptic? With a gap to allow ambient light, but in full dark the tritium will glow a bit? Just curious... You could test it with a night sight. I've got a dim Meprolight you could have.. . Last edited by orangeusa; 04-04-2013 at 11:18 AM.. |
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Im just not sure the trit is bright enough to make much difference. My solution to low light conditions is a longer fiber optic strand.
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Fiber optics are really cool in their funneling ability. I just wish I had gotten a longer strand in the first place. Now, when i do find one i have to rip this apart and start over.
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Very impressive and cool OP!
Sounds like you created a 9MOA fiber optic red dot? Also sounds like you used very thin fiber optic already, but I wonder if it is possible to shrink the end to reduce the MOA to 6 or 3 etc? |
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I appreciate the positive feedback. Thanks.
I wanted to try this because I wasn't prepared to spend 500 bucks on a meprolight fiberoptic dot sight. I knew i could do this based on my understanding of how a red dot optic works. In the field of view the shaft of the fiber optic was visible. I corrected this by coloring the shaft of the fiber optic with a black sharpie leaving only the tip visible. I could have made the dot smaller by sanding down the tip to a smaller diameter but the fiber was small to begin with. I believe the red dot was a .019" diameter fiber. Thats small. The green circle is a .029" diameter fiber. I colored the tip of the strand and dragged it against a piece of sandpaper while holding the fiber at an angle and spinning it in my fingers. This exposed a ring of the fiber optic tip surrounding the black sharpie colored center. Astigmatism isnt a huge problem. The dot/circle is pretty consistent everywhere in the field of view and accuraxy hasnt beed a problem. I didnt choose this because it was the ideal optic. I chose it because i wanted a pure fiber optic dot sight but can't afford the nice 500 dollad ones. Overall, im happy with it. It works.
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