Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-07-2013, 9:46 PM
morningglory morningglory is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 156
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Reducing felt recoil in an AR-10?

Hi all,

What would you recommend to reduce felt recoil in an AR-10? I have a stock M&P 10 and to me this thing kicks like a 12-gauge.

Thanks in advance for the recommendation.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-07-2013, 9:50 PM
Chewbaca's Avatar
Chewbaca Chewbaca is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: bay area
Posts: 2,686
iTrader: 31 / 100%
Default

You can't be serious ?!?!?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:03 PM
Josh3239 Josh3239 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 9,143
iTrader: 59 / 100%
Default

Very easy, a good brake can take away a ton. I am a fan of the Battlecomp/Griffin brakes, a lot of people here prefer JP, PWS, or Surefire. I was unimpressed by the PWS.

Add weight to the gun, the MP10 is kind of light for a .308. Also a thicker buttpad will help, look into Kickeez or Limbsaver.

Adjustable gas block may help as well, bleed out any unnecessary gases.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:14 PM
Dhena81's Avatar
Dhena81 Dhena81 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Norwalk
Posts: 4,588
iTrader: 37 / 100%
Default

Properly shouldering and driving the gun can help.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:16 PM
cc426 cc426 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: san jose
Posts: 647
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I got a magpul stock and The thicker rubber pad for my m&p10 and that seemed to help.

You could probably slip a limb saver over that too

Otherwise you can try a muzzle break but people shooting around you will get pissed off. Heavier buffer spring but it may reduce reliability. I remember seeing a spring loaded or hydronic buffer at one point but don't remember what it's called or if it works in the m&p10
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:22 PM
707electrician's Avatar
707electrician 707electrician is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Rohnert Park, CA
Posts: 2,855
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Growing a pair might help


I had to do it
__________________
Brian Kelly

PM me for electrical work
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:44 PM
CK_32's Avatar
CK_32 CK_32 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orange County
Posts: 14,369
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Default

Proper form will reduce recoil more than any add on you find. Garanteed it


But to help I'd say get a thick hoodie, muzzle brake, recoil pad or fumble with spring and gas systems in that order but dont expect it to be cheap. But AR10s don't kick all that much if your using proper technique.
__________________
For Sale: AR500 Lvl III+ ASC Armor

What's Your Caliber??


My Youtube channel
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:47 PM
RuggedJay RuggedJay is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Northern Southern California
Posts: 1,259
iTrader: 42 / 98%
Default

Sounds like it is too much gun for you. Go buy a .22
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:48 PM
five.five-six's Avatar
five.five-six five.five-six is offline
Former cabinetguy
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In a cage at the San Diego Zoo
Posts: 34,325
iTrader: 74 / 100%
Default

24" BBL. if your gun is heavy enough, you won't feel a thing


Sent from my flat iThingy using Tapatalk 2
__________________
We’re ALL GOING TO DIE!

Can’t somebody do something?!?!?!?!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-07-2013, 10:50 PM
five.five-six's Avatar
five.five-six five.five-six is offline
Former cabinetguy
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In a cage at the San Diego Zoo
Posts: 34,325
iTrader: 74 / 100%
Default

Fire a mosin just once and you will never complain about .308 recoil again.


Sent from my flat iThingy using Tapatalk 2
__________________
We’re ALL GOING TO DIE!

Can’t somebody do something?!?!?!?!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-07-2013, 11:07 PM
CK_32's Avatar
CK_32 CK_32 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Orange County
Posts: 14,369
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
Fire a mosin just once and you will never complain about .308 recoil again.


Sent from my flat iThingy using Tapatalk 2
Hahaha ain't that the truth
__________________
For Sale: AR500 Lvl III+ ASC Armor

What's Your Caliber??


My Youtube channel
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-07-2013, 11:15 PM
G21Shooter's Avatar
G21Shooter G21Shooter is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Central Coast
Posts: 3,577
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Put a Battlecomp or similar muzzle break on there and it'll take a good bit of the recoil/muzzle rise out.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-07-2013, 11:20 PM
bomb_on_bus's Avatar
bomb_on_bus bomb_on_bus is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bakersfield, CA Kern Co.
Posts: 5,487
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Heavy weight barrel and a beefy stock like the magpul prs stock, proper shouldering of the gun, heavy buffer or enidyne recoil reducer, heavy buffer spring, muzzle brake/compensator, etc.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by aklon View Post
In 1775 we stood up.

In 1776 we announced we would not be sitting back down.


Ahhhhhhhhhhh! Man that was some great Kool-Aid.......... hmmmmmm theres a hint of something metallic. Oh well guess I will get on with the voting.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-08-2013, 12:11 AM
crazyucbr's Avatar
crazyucbr crazyucbr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Carson City, NV
Posts: 794
iTrader: 153 / 100%
Default

Battlecomp and good form.
__________________
"get that evil thing out of the house"

FFLs/Store I support and recommend:
Don at Straightline Tactical in Anaheim
Steve at OC Firearms in Fountain Valley.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-08-2013, 6:16 AM
shadowofnight's Avatar
shadowofnight shadowofnight is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: CA
Posts: 3,730
iTrader: 72 / 100%
Default

My 458 Socom kicks like a 12 gauge , 308's not so much...as mentioned a good brake and adding weight to the rifle should fix you right up.

In my 308 lower assy's, I used VLTOR stocks with the storage on the left and right side...even prior to firing they were so light in weight that I added as many 405gr lead 458 bullets that fit in the tube and topped it off with a foam ear plug for zero rattle before closing each side.

It added a lot of weight to the stock, basically changing it from an ultra lightweight...to weighing about identical to a Magpul PRS stock.


This brake http://precisionarmament.com/product/m11-muzzle-brake/ was the most effective brake we tried on our actual 308 uppers





http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod54370.aspx

Last edited by shadowofnight; 07-08-2013 at 12:07 PM.. Reason: Added muzzle brake type
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-08-2013, 6:50 AM
HK Dave's Avatar
HK Dave HK Dave is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 5,721
iTrader: 77 / 100%
Default

Surefire brake brought my 308 AR recoil down to that of 223.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-08-2013, 6:54 AM
FMJBT's Avatar
FMJBT FMJBT is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Los Alamos, NM
Posts: 4,888
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

I'd start with a good muzzle brake. If that doesn't tame the recoil enough, go for an adjustable gas block to slow down the reciprocating mass of the Bolt Carrier Group. Given the choice between adding a heavy buffer or going with an adjustble gas block, the adjustable gas block is usually cheaper than the buffer for a 308, and gives you the ability to tune the rifle for optimal cycling.

I had a similar issue with my 16" 308 build. The rifle kicked like the proverbial mule. Felt recoil was about the same as my 300 Win Mag, maybe even more. I went through 3 different muzzle brakes before I determined that the rifle was just waaaay over gassed. The BCG on a 308 weighs considerably more than the 5.56 version, and it was accounting for most of the felt recoil as it slammed into the back of the buffer tube. I added an adjustable gas block from SLR Rifleworks and after a bit of tuning, the recoil is just a bit more than a comprable 5.56 AR.
__________________
U.S. Navy (Retired) 1994-2015
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-08-2013, 7:00 AM
kalieracer's Avatar
kalieracer kalieracer is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,987
iTrader: 27 / 100%
Default

There shouldn't be much recoil, but compared to an AR-15 there is a difference for most users. The gun is likely over gassed, I am not sure off hand at the length of gas system on those. I would get a new buffer spring combo from heavybuffers.com , then a gas block. I second the suggestion of a brake as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by morningglory View Post
Hi all,

What would you recommend to reduce felt recoil in an AR-10? I have a stock M&P 10 and to me this thing kicks like a 12-gauge.

Thanks in advance for the recommendation.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-08-2013, 8:04 AM
mjmagee67's Avatar
mjmagee67 mjmagee67 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Free America, Idaho.
Posts: 2,771
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Please do shoot a 30-06 sportster hunting rife, that give you a kick.

I have an M&P-10, put a butt stock with a recoil pad and get a DPMS Miculek brake, they are inexpensive and work well, I use them in 3 gun.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-08-2013, 8:27 AM
chead's Avatar
chead chead is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,109
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

Plant it in your shoulder. If it's snug it's not going to hurt no matter how hard it kicks.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalK9.com View Post
Hecka funny all my friends with AR's call them "clips" but I call them bullet holder things lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeR View Post
So suck it HK, If I wanted an $800 pistol with a crap trigger I would just go buy 2 Glocks.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-08-2013, 8:29 AM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,348
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Most of you guys are macho recoil lovers. Me? Not so much. As most have already said, a good muzzle brake will help. You can also change out to an A2 butt stock and put a lead weight in it. It will make the rifle much heavier and slow down the recoil. You'll never get a 308 down to really low recoil levels, if recoil is a problem, you'll want a cartridge in the 260 or 243 range, they are more manageable.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-08-2013, 9:03 AM
high_revs's Avatar
high_revs high_revs is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 6,584
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

i feel it sometimes. as i learned from trap, a proper shoulder technique was what i was missing. but i carry my recoil pad with me should i need it on my ar10. (i fixed the shotgun beating problem by buying a softer shooting one. LOL )

a brake is one i want to explore very soon. if i use my recoil pad, it goes push the rifle a little forward and messed up my cheekweld and positioning.

i am fat so i have some fat up there to pad it a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-08-2013, 9:14 AM
robert101 robert101 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: southern CA
Posts: 1,997
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

My daughters shoot my LR308. Just keep that rifle snug into your shoulder and you will be fine.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-08-2013, 1:30 PM
Gnome's Avatar
Gnome Gnome is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,693
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Can't be fixed.

You seem like a nice guy though. I'm gonna do you a favor and take it off your hands for 50% off. I'll even pay the transfer fees. Just because I like you
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by E Pluribus Unum View Post
During Y2K my neighbor and I were talking and he said he had a basement full of water and canned food. He asked if I had stocked up and I said that I had. I told him I bought a 12 guage shotgun, a .308 rifle and several bricks of .22 ammo.

He is an anti-gun guy and he said. "Well, you can't eat ammunition". I replied with "When I'm starving to death with a case of ammunition, who's door do you think I am going to knock on?"
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-08-2013, 2:13 PM
crazychinaman crazychinaman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: South Bay/LAX
Posts: 1,553
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

The Smith has a basic stock on it.No padding ,and a standard flashider.I would first change the muzzle brake and then get slash's buffer.Then try a differant stock.Where are you located.?I will be at Burro Canyon at the Cal Guns shoot this month.You can try one of my .308 AR'S.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-08-2013, 2:47 PM
Arnelcheeze's Avatar
Arnelcheeze Arnelcheeze is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: In a van down by the river Los Angeles
Posts: 1,449
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

A brake and adjustable gas block, you will have to ride the line between reliability and feeding failures, but it does help. A low mass carrier system helps too, but the cost of that is not worth it IMO. Get a Magpul PRS stock maybe even a UBR, its super heavy that helps the most. i have a 20" heavy barrel, PRS and an adjustable gas block, shoots like an ar15.

The heavier buffer you put in there without slowing things, means more mass is moving at the same speed, which can translate into your shoulder. Slow things down at the gas block, and at the muzzle with a brake and you should be good.
__________________
:“Disarm the people- that is the best and most effective
way to enslave them.”
― James Madison
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-08-2013, 3:00 PM
baih777 baih777 is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Torrance
Posts: 5,661
iTrader: 121 / 100%
Default

this will fit on your stock.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality...item5d4115830d

If your barrel is threaded. here are some options.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...e+308&_sacat=0

if you need your barrel theaded contact AR15barrels.com
get your brake first and he can time the brake to the barrel. cleaner look.
__________________
Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
I'm Back.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-08-2013, 3:07 PM
bohoki's Avatar
bohoki bohoki is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 95401
Posts: 20,647
iTrader: 21 / 100%
Default

a rear deflecting brake and the shooters friend buttpad
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-08-2013, 4:46 PM
Jason25's Avatar
Jason25 Jason25 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Socal
Posts: 1,000
iTrader: 51 / 100%
Default

Put this between your shoulder and the stock

Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-08-2013, 4:48 PM
EL_NinO619's Avatar
EL_NinO619 EL_NinO619 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,519
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Buy these!!

__________________
se carga el diablo de la pistola...
.223, .25acp, 25-20win, 9mm, 38spl/.357, 10mm .308, 8mm M, 7mm Rem Mag, 45acp, .475 Wildey mag
On 2 Hornady LnL AP & Dillon Super 1050
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 07-08-2013, 10:20 PM
morningglory morningglory is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 156
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Many thanks to all who posted helpful suggestions and ideas that were germane to my original post, you have given me considerable food for thought and have my gratitude.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 07-09-2013, 6:40 AM
BHPFan's Avatar
BHPFan BHPFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Where they tax you on everything and give you the shaft.
Posts: 2,265
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
Fire a mosin just once and you will never complain about .308 recoil again.


Sent from my flat iThingy using Tapatalk 2
LMAO.

That's kinda true. Shoot a few rounds on a Mosin, then shoot the .308 and the .308 may feel like a pop-gun.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazychinaman View Post
The Smith has a basic stock on it.No padding ,and a standard flashider.I would first change the muzzle brake and then get slash's buffer.Then try a differant stock.
This. However, I'd start first with the muzzle brake and then, the stock. I try not to mess around too much with the buffer and buffer spring as this may cause reliability issues.
__________________
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~ Benjamin Franklin
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 07-09-2013, 7:53 AM
curtru's Avatar
curtru curtru is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: sacramento
Posts: 1,278
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EL_NinO619 View Post
Buy these!!

LOL. Is this your first long gun maybe one day you should shoot a 50bmg without a muzzle break. Yeah sounds like you might want to try a muzzle break new buffer spring

Last edited by curtru; 07-09-2013 at 7:58 AM.. Reason: forgot to take off caps lock
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 07-09-2013, 7:06 PM
Danomite556's Avatar
Danomite556 Danomite556 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Sun City
Posts: 189
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Just add a good muzzle brake. It might be enough before you strap 57 pounds to it.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 07-09-2013, 7:26 PM
Trgt's Avatar
Trgt Trgt is offline
Member
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 367
iTrader: 66 / 100%
Default

> kicks like a 12-gauge

Maybe you are referring more to the muzzle kicking up making follow up shots difficult, rather than felt recoil?

I don't think my M&P10 felt anything like a 12 gauge (never bruised my shoulder like my defender 1300 would try to do shooting buckshot), but it did seem to be a handful keeping on-target shot to shot.

As others have recommended, I went with the battle comp brake and it was night and day in terms of helping keep the muzzle on target, for me.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 07-09-2013, 8:55 PM
JamesY's Avatar
JamesY JamesY is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 2,652
iTrader: 109 / 100%
Default

I have a SJC Titan on one of my 18" 308s and it feels like shooting a 10/22.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 07-09-2013, 9:12 PM
CRTguns's Avatar
CRTguns CRTguns is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: America
Posts: 2,627
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

If you can get a hold of Keith Garcia... (WOn 3 gun nation one year) ask him what he has on his AR10.

Looks alot like this one:
http://www.sacguns.com/the_sac_brake
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 07-09-2013, 9:34 PM
Coyotegunner Coyotegunner is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 1,353
iTrader: 69 / 100%
Default

Where I would love to join in on the b*ll busting here.Maybe the op has a legitimate complaint.
A real muzzle brake will help.I don't know if the FN Scar model will fit your gun.The 17 I shoot is a kitty cat compared to a my old AR10 with just a flash suppressor.I use padded cheek risers on my M1As and Garand.
Yea I am not the soldier my dad was.He loves the pad I gave him.At 80 he was not enjoying the Garand like he did at 18 years old.
My face suffered on the AR10 after 100rds or so.I use the KICKEEZ stick on pad on the stock where my cheek welds the AR10.It helps a lot if you are going to dump 200-300 rounds in a session.The FN needs nothing with the brake it uses.The NRA Women on Target loved the FN.They were all new shooters and would have shot it all day if ammo was allowed.
For my RUMs a brake is almost mandatory if you shoot over 50 rds in 1 sitting.1 of them weighs right at 6.5 lbs and it is brutal.I remove the brake when I hunt and use a thread protector.My ears will not stand for the added noise,not even once.Recoil during hunting is not observed,to me anyway.
I have a good laugh when people want to prove recoil they can stand.I have a 378 Weatherby and Ruger 77 338 Win mag that will make a believer of recoil reduction,to anybody.The look on a new shooter of these is priceless.

Last edited by Coyotegunner; 07-09-2013 at 9:37 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 07-09-2013, 9:55 PM
Don the savage's Avatar
Don the savage Don the savage is offline
Cry Havok!
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Ontario, Цалифорниа
Posts: 2,078
iTrader: 62 / 100%
Default

I have a torn labrum in my right shoulder (yea future surgery) so my r-25 beats me up pretty good when bench resting. I got a PAST pad to put on when my shoulder is beat up. It really helps. I feel like a putz wearing it but i figure its not as bad as the plate carrier commandos i see benchresting at angeles
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/699...d-ambidextrous
__________________
I support peace through superior firepower.
"Para ser libre, un hombre debe tener tres cosas, la tierra, una educacion y un fusil. Siempre un fusil ! (To be free, a man must have three things; land, an education and a rifle. Always a rifle)" -Emiliano Zapata.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rsrocket1 View Post
Of course they are in free territory where they can pick up ammunition at the local 5 and dime without going through a criminal background check. All we get is legalized pot.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 07-09-2013, 10:06 PM
jurrd87's Avatar
jurrd87 jurrd87 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 227
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhena81 View Post
Properly shouldering and driving the gun can help.
DRIVE THE GUN!!!

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
__________________
-Jared
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:41 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy