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How about better shot placement next time? With modern bullets, elk aren't bulletproof.
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Dads advice was "when they look at you, shoot them in the eye", which explained why I grew up seeing a bunch of one-eyed critters hanging from the shop rafters every year.
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I think the issue in this thread has to do with very different levels of hunting and shooting skills. Good advice can become bad advice when given to the wrong skill set. If you have problems dropping an elk at normal range backing up and going larger caliber might not be the best answer.
I’d vote for keeping the same caliber and getting closer and start making better shots. Even if you blow a few stalks they are all good lessons. Animals don’t need to drop dead every time. It’s OK to have to track an animal a bit. It’s part of the skill set. Once you have that dialed by all means get a .338 with some good glass and engage at 600 yards plus. Last edited by deckhandmike; 11-01-2018 at 4:08 PM.. |
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But I usaly set up with sand bags off a table or the hood of a truck to get that 1/2 inch MOA or better that is needed. I've taken deer very effectively with the same rifle but with deer in the area I hunt you are just not presented a shot at a deer with more then a tree branch possibly, prone is out because of the grass or ground cover. |
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Weatherby makes great rifles guaranteed sub MOA. I have a Vanguard 2 in 30-06, Vanguard 2 Range Certified in 300 Win. Both shoot under 3/4” EZ. I just purchased the mark 5 Arroyo in 300 Win and 338-378 RC Arroyo. Great looking. Sighted in the 300 Arroyo last weekend, 3/4 MOA. I used to have the Weatherby 30-378 (tack driver) but foolishly sold it years ago. I went to the 338-378 for a larger/heavy bullet with all copper in CA, the larger caliber should help. 338-378 is also 100 ft per second faster then the Lapua. I have shot animals with a 30 caliber mag. where I wish I had a larger caliber. I don’t have to wish anymore with the 338-378, all I have to do is pray for that $2,000. Scope it needs. There are some animals in Alaska and TX that need 338.
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BTW, NRA and Safari Club have condemned game sniping. You can search engine it. The very real fear is law designed to proscribe game sniping can be applied to legitimate hunting; e.g., limits on scope magnification, legal cartridges, etc. Theory of killing an animal at a thousand and reality are vastly different. At Rocky Mountain altitude where oxygen is sparse, a 400 yard shot is far. My elk guide wouldn't allow me to shoot over 250 yards. He's exceptionally skillful at getting his hunters under a buck fifty. |
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Inuit, being Canadian, use the .303 British. |
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Your guide has seen his clients ability over many years and understands that if they where given a gun set-up by Tony Boyer himself that most couldn't hit an elephant locked inside of a Volkswagen beetle with two boxes of ammo while sitting in the passenger seat.
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The world record moose was converted to freezer space by a .303 British.
It's all about what a bullet destroys. https://www.boone-crockett.org/news/...ory.asp?ID=186 |
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That's because they're poor. You don't think they'd rather have something better given a choice?
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I’m not advocating long shots on game, just clarifying.
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I wasn't referring to ballistics. I was referring to hunter capabilities. Altitude diminishes physical abilities. Then there are myriad environmental factors that come into play. Shot difficulty increases exponentially at altitude. A 200 yard shot is 4x more difficult than a hundred yard shot. Tall sage that grows at 9000' and above can screw up an otherwise filled tag. I had to forego a shot at a 380 class bull elk. I had followed my guide into thick stuff. A huge herd bull ran into a clearing & bugled. I had to stay motionless. He was no more than 60 yards away. Tree branches were between he & me. My guide asked me if I saw him. I did. He asked why I didn't drop my hammer on him. I told him that but for the zillion branches between a bull of a lifetime and me, he'd of had my tag on his massive antlers. I had to settle for a 374 bull. He's on my wall. I've yet to see any hunter make an off hand shot on big game farther than a buck fifty, and that was me. Unfortunately, there aren't bench rests where big critter live. |
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There are def places where a hunter can set up, hunker down, and scope a lot of area, and some of it will be 1000+ yds away. Big elk are taken from those places I hear but I don't know of any places like that in CA.
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Big game sniping is going to cause draconian hunting laws that will affect all hunters as well as snipers. Buy yourself a hunting rifle and learn hunting skills. Relegate your sniping rifle to range use. |
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What laws would that be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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People have been at it or 30+ years, still waiting.
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You must really hate ground squirrels. On another note, the only “game” that should be taken at 1000 yds is isis. If you can’t get closer to an elk than 1000yds, get a better guide. No way should a shot ever be taken on game that far. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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I shot a trophy hog in CA with my 30-378 with a guide at about 125 yards (perfect shot placement). Had to follow that pig 200 yards into thick brush and hit him again with the 30-378 from 10 ft. Both holes were only one Inch apart. It was extremely dangerous in the thick brush with that angry pig full of life, packing 3 1/2” tusks. My point again, I wish I had the 338. I want to stop the big and dangerous game ASAP. Not the standard powerful enough to kill it minimum. Thanks
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As a side note.
Years ago I was hunting BLM land for pig up in Coalinga. I was by myself and spotted some pigs as a couple other hunters came by and asked if I had seen anything. We all hiked down to the pigs. I shot a 400-450 lbs pig from 50 yards with my 30-06. The pig went into thick, thick brush and was snapping it teeth/jaw angry as hell. Myself and the two other men circled the thicket for about an half hour before we gave up on the snapping monster. Non of us were brave/stupid enough to go in with that sized pig. (No caliber would of made me comfortable going in the brush for that pig). Wish I used a 338 that time. It was a long quiet walk back. |
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You might want to research NRA and SCI's position of game sniping. Both are adamantly in fierce opposition to it. Both refer to it as unethical and immoral. |
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Where has any of this been proposed? Long range hunting is not new. I get you don’t like it but it is suck a small portion of the hunting community literally no one is calling for regulation that I am aware of. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Stupid was walking away from a wounded animal than could've harmed another. Put your bullets where they oughta go, and animals will die. Nothing living remains in that condition without topside oxygenated blood flow. Stop it, and every animal walking Earth will die. That is biological fact. A .338 Win Mag will not compensate for bad shooting, which was the case here. You exacerbated bad shooting by turning coward. A moral, ethical hunter would have gone in to kill that pig before he killed a person who had no knowledge that you've abandoned a wounded animal. Not good. Learn how to shoot before hunting. You owe it to animals you hunt. BTW, a hunter armed with a Model 94 who knew how to shoot it would have been cleaning that pig a few minutes after firing his only shot. Hunters like you are ethical hunters adversaries' dream. You make it easy for those who want to abolish hunting to achieve their goal. Hunting might not be your sport. |
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I'll write this again: research NRA & SCI's position on long range hunting. Call both outfits. They'll tell you why LRH is immoral and unethical. Game sniping = lack of hunting skills. |
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Neither is calling for regulation. Both are simply money grabbing organizations. Why anyone listens to the NRA on hunting issues is fool and SCI strictly caters to the rich. Both leave a lot to be desired when it comes to an organizations supporting hunting. Hunters complaining about long range hunters is akin to gun owners complaining about AR owners. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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At least we agree on this. Piss poor hunting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I understand. I am not a long range hunter. I limit myself to around 400 yards depending on conditions. I would like to up that to 600 yards in the future just because some of the places I hunt that is about as close as you can get. Think mule deer hunting wide open bowls and cliffs at the top of a 10k mountain. That said I liken that argument to people not liking AR’s because they are used to shoot up schools and kill little kids. I say hunters that make bad shots and bad decisions should be held accountable by their peers and ridiculed if necessary. But there are plenty of much better shots out there than me who regularly and humanely kill animals at long ranges. Can’t find a reason to be upset and against they way they chose to hunt. Just my thoughts and screw those AR owners out there who want children to die. Myself included. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Really? Which one?
FWIW *I* have never done long range hunting but in some places (I believe a place called 'Hell's Canyon' might be famous?) extreme long range hunting has been done with good success for a long time.
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.338 Lapua for big game?
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We just neck shoot them from 150 and in. A little bigger target than the head but minimal meat damage. So much nicer to bone out on a neck shot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by sacrvrrat; 11-05-2018 at 9:07 AM.. |
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Dad always said the neck was OK because 'you'll break their neck or cut their throat' but he preferred the head. He grew up in a time and place where venison was one of his families primary sources of protein.
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The connection is the thought that long range hunting is bad because people make poor decisions and take shots they shouldn’t which is similar to AR’s are bad because people make bad decisions and kill children with them. In both cases I blame the person not the activity or ownership. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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.300 Win Mag is completely sufficient for the job and costs significantly less.
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