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Old 05-17-2016, 8:02 AM
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http://www.primaryarms.com/pa4-14xff...14xffp-r-grid/
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What he doesn't say is that man sized target is 47 inches across.

Just kidding. In all serious, how large is that target? standard man sized target?
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What he doesn't say is that man sized target is 47 inches across.

Just kidding. In all serious, how large is that target? standard man sized target?


I believe its 18"x30"
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There is no way that target in the picture is 1425 yards away with a 14x max powered scope. 14x at 1425 yards on an 18" width target will basically look like a slightly large white dot.

Not even Schmidt & Bender's look like that image above at 1425 yards away....did you accidentally select the wrong pic link when posting the picture? It's not the same target as the video, which really is 1425 yds...

Here is a 1000 yard target @ 14x magnification and a very similarly same sized target:



Night and day different in target size.


Still, very impressive shooting and I'm sure the scope works well
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There is no way that target in the picture is 1425 yards away with a 14x max powered scope. 14x at 1425 yards on an 18" width target will basically look like a slightly large white dot.
I don't think it was ever intended to be, just a demonstration of what the reticle looks like and then the videos is of how it performs.
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There is no way that target in the picture is 1425 yards away with a 14x max powered scope. 14x at 1425 yards on an 18" width target will basically look like a slightly large white dot.

Not even Schmidt & Bender's look like that image above at 1425 yards away....did you accidentally select the wrong pic link when posting the picture? It's not the same target as the video, which really is 1425 yds...
Obviously not as it is an FFP scope and the hashmarks indicate that the target is about 5 mil wide. At 1,425, 5 mil is going to be about 250 inches.

The target is about 100 yards away if it is 18" wide at 5 mil.

I believe that Dimitri showed the picture that way to illustrate the reticle design. The post was a bit misleading in that respect.
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Obviously not as it is an FFP scope and the hashmarks indicate that the target is about 5 mil wide. At 1,425, 5 mil is going to be about 250 inches.



The target is about 100 yards away if it is 18" wide at 5 mil.



I believe that Dimitri showed the picture that way to illustrate the reticle design. The post was a bit misleading in that respect.


Lol knowing how to mil is important! Tx Jmp it was just to show the reticle
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There is no way that target in the picture is 1425 yards away with a 14x max powered scope. 14x at 1425 yards on an 18" width target will basically look like a slightly large white dot.



Not even Schmidt & Bender's look like that image above at 1425 yards away....did you accidentally select the wrong pic link when posting the picture? It's not the same target as the video, which really is 1425 yds...



Here is a 1000 yard target @ 14x magnification and a very similarly same sized target:







Night and day different in target size.





Still, very impressive shooting and I'm sure the scope works well


Not sure if you know there is autorange on the top right for 18" This is like a 100 yards
In order to be at 1000 u would be at .5 mil
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I wish I was better at long distance. I'm sure all those marks on the reticle have their purpose, it just looks so busy to me and I don't even know what they are for.

I saw your 6-30 was back in stock the other day...so tempting.
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Yeah it's for good reason. That sight picture with the Primary Arms reticle bukkake would be a mess on that target at that range.

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At that range (100yards) your using the horse shoe and chevron. The grid portion allows for exact tracking with out having to touch turrets, no need for zero stop, no need for rev marks its why the military is transitioning to that style reticle. I hope that helps..
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At that range (100yards) your using the horse shoe and chevron. The grid portion allows for exact tracking with out having to touch turrets, no need for zero stop, no need for rev marks its why the military is transitioning to that style reticle. I hope that helps..
I was referring to the target at 1425 yards.......

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I was referring to the target at 1425 yards.......

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So we post a video hitting cold bore at $1425 yards with a $279.99 scope and that is your response!!
Lol ok yeah your right.. Hey tx for your input
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Nice !

Some constructive criticism........most people would assume the scope picture to be at 1425 yards the way it is worded.My first thought was not nice scope or clear picture, my first thought was no way that is 1425 yards in that picture.......starts me off with skepticism as my first impression.

While a excellent shot, that has little to do with the scope.Especially a fast aquisition horseshoe semi auto style scope on a bolt gun. Much more product information would be nice on the product page. ....... maybe a ruff estimate of what yardage that takes common calibers to in the reticle or how many inches of drop at 1000 yards it covers.

Having reamed you a new one, thanks for posting this, as a budget level scope I would have purchased this instead of the vortex crossfire 2.

I am a big fan of christmas tree reticles and this is the cheapest I have seen any scope with one........tempting to just buy this to add to my scope inventory, but I just purchased the crossfire.....wish I would have seen this first as it is approx the same price.

Might still pick it up as I am adding optics to most of my rifles now.

While that scope could go on any rifle, I see it as ar-15/ar-10 scope due to the low zoom,horseshoe and christmas tree for fast follow up shots and quick aquisition, but still enuff zoom in a FFP to reach out as far as your cartridge will allow.

It is what I was looking for in that price range......

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It seems to me the most attractive selling point re this PA scope is the FFP reticle at that price point.

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It seems to me the most attractive selling point to this PA scope is the FFP reticle at that price point.


Indeed!

Here is some info on the reticle

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So we post a video hitting cold bore at $1425 yards with a $279.99 scope and that is your response!!
Lol ok yeah your right.. Hey tx for your input
Actually, it's a shame that it was a cold bore shot. It doesn't matter how good your scope is since coldbore hits, at that distance, rely on a fair amount of luck.

Really, I think it's because there are "holders" and there are "dialers". Dimitri seems to be mostly a "holder", and this scope is geared toward "holders". Most people are some blend of the two. These "holder" reticles are good for shorter to intermediate range shooting where you mostly hold for better speed. After a certain distance, you really prefer dialing the target in as the hold becomes too large.
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Actually, it's a shame that it was a cold bore shot. It doesn't matter how good your scope is since coldbore hits, at that distance, rely on a fair amount of luck.

Really, I think it's because there are "holders" and there are "dialers". Dimitri seems to be mostly a "holder", and this scope is geared toward "holders". Most people are some blend of the two. These "holder" reticles are good for shorter to intermediate range shooting where you mostly hold for better speed. After a certain distance, you really prefer dialing the target in as the hold becomes too large.

That`s how I see it too, plus once you get into 10 to 14 mils hold over on max zoom you will be in the worst part of the glass to be using at long distances....the outer ring of the glass on max zoom in a budget scope is not ideal.

I like the scope and it does fill a need, should be a good seller and I will more than likely get one as I have a couple rifles that it would work on.
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Actually, it's a shame that it was a cold bore shot. It doesn't matter how good your scope is since coldbore hits, at that distance, rely on a fair amount of luck.



Really, I think it's because there are "holders" and there are "dialers". Dimitri seems to be mostly a "holder", and this scope is geared toward "holders". Most people are some blend of the two. These "holder" reticles are good for shorter to intermediate range shooting where you mostly hold for better speed. After a certain distance, you really prefer dialing the target in as the hold becomes too large.

https://youtu.be/Q6aOTICqT5Q

Here is the full video, I have never found cold bore shots to be luck, cold bore mapping tends to have me on as well. Looks like he hit it over and over. He actually dialed in at 1000 yards and held oh I don't remember exactly I think 6 mils or so.
But you have to admit for a $279.99 scope with a reticle like that in FFP is a pretty good
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Here is the full video, I have never found cold bore shots to be luck, cold bore mapping tends to have me on as well. Looks like he hit it over and over. He actually dialed in at 1000 yards and held oh I don't remember exactly I think 6 mils or so.
But you have to admit for a $279.99 scope with a reticle like that in FFP is a pretty good
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It also dials in elevation and windage for 1000 yards ?.......does not mention MIL range of adjustements in item description....sounded like it had very little.

If it had all that info in the item description I might have already hit buy it now.

Maybe it is there, I just have massive web blockers installed.
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It also dials in elevation and windage for 1000 yards ?.......does not mention MIL range of adjustements in item description....sounded like it had very little.



If it had all that info in the item description I might have already hit buy it now.



Maybe it is there, I just have massive web blockers installed.


Yeah mil/mil turrets its the same scope that the military arms channel used on their 1000 yard gun under $1000. Also same optic used by Ken Neans to place in the finals of the Chris Kyle sniper comp but using the ACSS HUD DMR .308 reticle version

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I've used the PA 4-14x44 FFP scope for a couple years now, but mine has the plain mil dot reticle. They still sell for $229.99 today, just as they did a couple years ago when I bought mine. For the money, I've just never found anything that can beat it at that price point.
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That`s how I see it too, plus once you get into 10 to 14 mils hold over on max zoom you will be in the worst part of the glass to be using at long distances....the outer ring of the glass on max zoom in a budget scope is not ideal.

I like the scope and it does fill a need, should be a good seller and I will more than likely get one as I have a couple rifles that it would work on.
Once you dial 10 to 14 mils, the scopes erector tube is going to be pointed right through that same bad patch of glass as well. Given the choice between dialing or holding with a budget optic, I'd opt for hold overs just to take the budget turrets out of the equation.
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Once you dial 10 to 14 mils, the scopes erector tube is going to be pointed right through that same bad patch of glass as well. Given the choice between dialing or holding with a budget optic, I'd opt for hold overs just to take the budget turrets out of the equation.


Bad glass? The glass is great! For $279.99 your not going to find anything as clear or a FFP with this type reticle
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Bad glass? The glass is great! For $279.99 your not going to find anything as clear or a FFP with this type reticle
Not bad glass on the entire scope, but the glass approaching the edge of the lens is never as good as the center regardless of how great the glass quality is overall. I was just trying to explain how you end up looking through the same section of glass to get a given elevation adjustment, doesn't matter if you are holding over or dialing.
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Not bad glass on the entire scope, but the glass approaching the edge of the lens is never as good as the center regardless of how great the glass quality is overall. I was just trying to explain how you end up looking through the same section of glass to get a given elevation adjustment, doesn't matter if you are holding over or dialing.


Thats at 14x at 10-6 your not on the edge anymore.

The scope has beat out some of the best in the world in the 2016 Chris Kyle snip comp.
Ken Neans from insane accuracy using the ACSS HUD version made it into the finals! Yes with a $279.99 optic!
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What size tube? I may pick this up as a temporary scope for my 6.5 Creedmoor until I get something better, then slap this on my 300BLK rifle.
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What size tube? I may pick this up as a temporary scope for my 6.5 Creedmoor until I get something better, then slap this on my 300BLK rifle.


30mm
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What size tube? I may pick this up as a temporary scope for my 6.5 Creedmoor until I get something better, then slap this on my 300BLK rifle.
I thought something similar but after using the regular Mil/Mil version I said, "eff it," and decided that I'll just keep it there. Shot off ~100 round of 6.5 CM this past weekend working on a DOPE sheet then farting around. Once out to 1000 yds I dialed it back to my 600 yd DOPE and smacked it ~2 inches above dead center. Then back to 100 yds zero still good, then up the hill to 900 yds and a center hit on what looked to be a 10" gong. Not even worth the effort for me to get something "better" unless PA made a 50mm version of this one.

Only things I would want changed on the scope would be an easier-turning parallax adjustment and more positive detents on the elevation/windage turrets. I plan on buying more from PA.
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Once you dial 10 to 14 mils, the scopes erector tube is going to be pointed right through that same bad patch of glass as well. Given the choice between dialing or holding with a budget optic, I'd opt for hold overs just to take the budget turrets out of the equation.

Thanks, makes perfect sense.....that reticle should even get a 55 grain 556 to 1000, so no dialing needed, unless you wanted.
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Thanks, makes perfect sense.....that reticle should even get a 55 grain 556 to 1000, so no dialing needed, unless you wanted.


You can even dial in and shoot dead on chevron tip
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Just talked my brother into one, told him if he did not like it, I would give him the cash for it..............
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Just talked my brother into one, told him if he did not like it, I would give him the cash for it..............


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If he does not want it, I sure do.......especially since he would be financing it untill I had the extra money....LOL


But lets say he did want to return it, there is no way to really know if you like it or not untill you use it.

Say he unboxes, mounts and takes it to the local range for the day, then decided he did not want it.

How would a return in that situation go ?
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Scope arrived today!


Super fast delivery !
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Very interesting scope Dmitri. I have read a lot of strong reviews on your products, I will be buying a couple shorter magnification scopes for AR's in the coming month from you.

To me weight is very important as well since even on my 4-16x scope I bought a year ago for AR10 (LMT MWS), I don't plan to use just as a bench rifle- and many of the 4-16x or similar mag scopes out there are over 30 oz.

Very interesting product line you have.
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Very interesting scope Dmitri. I have read a lot of strong reviews on your products, I will be buying a couple shorter magnification scopes for AR's in the coming month from you.



To me weight is very important as well since even on my 4-16x scope I bought a year ago for AR10 (LMT MWS), I don't plan to use just as a bench rifle- and many of the 4-16x or similar mag scopes out there are over 30 oz.



Very interesting product line you have.


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