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Just met someone else who was recently issued in cococo and he didn't have to "kiss the ring" or do the possee route.
It seems like if you live in the county vs a city and and can come up with some "good cause" that is NOT "self defense" you may have a shot. |
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If self defense is not sufficient, what planet are we on? Note: I applied for a CCW in CoCo county for self defense and was denied. I am a veteran, experienced gun owner, with zero issues on background checks.
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Looking over the voter registration stats at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra...r_registration makes me think Danville (42.1% Repub to 33.5% Dem) and Clayton (38.5% Repub to 38.2% Dem) and even Moraga (33.3% Repub to 40.3% Dem), and San Ramon (29.8% Repub to 39.1% Dem), are also cities where gunnies should organize locally to push their chief, and if he refused, push their city councils to demand the chief issue CCWs for "self-defense" as Good Cause (or they will replace the chief). Their PD's websites all list a CoP, so they should be able to issue (or rescind any MOU to start issuing). http://www.danville.ca.gov/Services/Police-Services/ http://claytonpd.com/ http://police.moraga.ca.us/ http://www.ci.san-ramon.ca.us/police/ Fjold said he's willing to advise anyone interested in doing this. He spent 6 years fighting to get Lompoc PD to issue CCWs against the wishes of the SLO sheriff! This is what folks in LA and SD counties are doing. No reason why CoCoCo residents, esp in those cities I ID'ed shouldn't also try. Facebook groups pages make it easy to begin, like LA folk did. Go thru this thread for ideas: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1172605 The longer you wait to begin, the longer until you win.... This will be a marathon: long, slow, steady, unrelenting work. Keep that as your mindset.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1707...60924494945941
Started a facebook page to organize and build support, Thanks Paladin for kicking me in the butt, to get this started. I am no where near prepared, but will be pursuing leads to get started. I will be doing some research and PM Fjold. |
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Nice job guys! Take our cities back one by one. These are exactly the tactics used against us. Nice to turn the tables. Must be a tough pill when anti's realize they aren't the only ones with an opinion.
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If you need any advice, just PM me since I don't read threads regularly anymore, but I do log on at least once per week to check for PMs. FWIW you should "Like" the FB group pages of folks in LA county cities pushing for CCWs (IIRC, Glendora, La Verne, and West Covina), and that SD county gun owners PAC. All of you should look to see if FB allows you to form a "ring" that will be invitation only for FB groups by gunnies in CA counties & cities pushing for CCWs. You can help each other with advice/"lessons learned". I wish you the best in Brentwood! Hopefully, gunnies in Danville, Clayton, Moraga and San Ramon will step up to the plate next....
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Question, living in the CCC, having a documented child molester in my complex and a young child in my household (my son), would this be good cause enough for our Sheriff to approve a CCW?
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My understanding is that good cause is meaningless in CCC. But it's certainly possible that the Sheriff is issuing more permits than we're aware.
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I guess no one in Danville, Clayton, Moraga, or San Ramon are willing to work & fight to get CCWs. Nothing will change if you don't make it change.
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Having said that, IIRC, when you apply they'll tell you if your GC is sufficient before you spend much money on the application. Best to get ahold of someone at the SO and ask them about the process, how much you have to spend before you get a conditional approval for your GC (usually pending background check, etc.). Here's a link to their CCW webpage: http://www.contracosta.ca.gov/5890/C...Weapon-License Let us know what you find out!
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It would take everybody in a joined effort. As much as I want a CCW, I don't really need one in San Ramon. Might need one anywhere else, just not here. Most people are too consumed with daily life to try and fight the system. I don't want to apply just to get denied. Risk to reward. Besides, only III% will stand up and fight.
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Where I live there is a freeway overpass that has a walking trail that goes under it and the trail is a known route for homeless and meth zombies (in Concord of course). There is a metal fence separating the complex from the underpass but sometimes the bars get removed. One of my neighbors said there was a zombie that took shot at him just because he talked to him. This was a few years ago and the police do a decent job of clearing the underpass out but they can't be there 24/7. I also don't feel safe on the freeways in the Bay Area because of all the road rage and I don't feel safe on BART either. I work on the boarder of the Tenderloin in SF and I for sure don't feel safe walking around in certain areas of SF. However, I think I heard it is not legal to CCW in SF even if you have a license from another county. I could be wrong though.
It doesn't hurt to start the process and see where it goes. But like Mr Bellis said "Most people are too consumed with daily life to try and fight the system." I for sure don't have a lot of time to dedicate to fighting the system. I think the biggest hurtle is that most Sheriffs and Police Officers (I said most, not all) think the general public is safer if law abiding citizens carry mace and cell phones instead of guns to protect themselves. Just mace the perp and call the police right. In reality, an incident happens so quick there is not time to call 911 and explain what is happening, and then have an officer dispatcher and drive to the location. Sorry, the victim would already have been victimized. They also think a person with a CCW would cause more harm then good, which we all obviously disagree with.
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If you have a CCW in any county in the state, you are good to go in any county in the state, San Francisco included. They do have a ban on JHP ammo if I remember correctly.
Fresno, Stanislaus, San Joaquin and Solano are all pretty easy to obtain CCWs I think. CoCo County, as you are all aware, is another story all together. I was speaking with a LGS, and she did think that getting one would be dependent upon the good cause statement. Not sure if I agree wth that though.
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I think the ammo ban in SF is for Black Talon.
Anyway, It seems like you have to kiss the Sheriff's *** to get a CCW is this county. I'm not willing to do that. LEO's in this state are too jumpy when a civilian has a firearm; legal or not. I'll keep mine at home for now...
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I did not expect to be approved for a CCW, but I felt it made sense for lots and lots of people to apply. At some point there will be litigation and all of us rejectees will constitute a mass of evidence, or maybe even a class of plaintiffs. I still feel that way, so I encourage everyone to apply, regardless of what county you reside in.
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What's cost in total to apply? My profession I cannot carry (work in education) but I do assist my father who's a broker on open house sales, foreclosure a etc. this includes properties in Oakland with renters not leaving and situations that are rough. My dad DOES NOT have a ccw and I'm wondering if I apply and he doesn't that may hurt my chances.
A coworkers husband who's a contractor in coco county got one. |
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Assuming Oakley is in Contra Costa County, I expect they'd refer you to the county Sheriff. It wouldn't hurt to ask the local PD, though; you won't be the first to ask, I'm sure.
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While you may not "need one in San Ramon," I assume you do leave that city from time to time, right??? To see what happens when that III% stand up and fight for their rights, see the corner that has been turned in West Covina (LA Co). It looks like there's going to be a show down between their Chief of Police and the City Council (who hire & fire CoPs). http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...splay.php?f=71 While it took them >2 years to get to this point, the longer you guys wait the longer until you'll be able to carry. Remember: it only takes a few hours each week: just give up some TV or other BS for a couple of years and be able to carry for the rest of your residency in SR or whatever city you're in.
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Am I strapped right now? You bet!!! Would I like to be 100% of the time? You bet!!! Can I get a CCW in CoCo County? Fat chance. Be safe.
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Next planned revision is in January 2017. Thread here on CalGuns is: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1236204
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Ur usg 2 many abbv. cnt undsd u.
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I was denied by Livingston back in 2012 right after a home invasion in Antioch, and then I was threatened by the perps family while waiting to testify against him in court. I thought that would be good enough, and nope.....
Anyways, I just moved back to El Dorado County, where our sheriff has a shall issue policy, and have applied there. I was searching the EDC forums and decided to check in on my fellow rejectee's and see if there was any change. Too bad there is not. If anyone does set up some kind of Class Action Suit, or any suit against Livingston, let me know. I am more then happy to donate to that cause. Good luck guys, and hopefully this nationwide reciprocity thing that trump is talking about can become a reality. |
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Glad you're in a CCW friendly county! I'm really surprised you didn't get a CCW especially with your circumstances. It didn't happen to be at the end of the year did it? (Sandy Hook).
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Thank you. I am happy to be back in EDC. I have currently applied for EDC and Utah, so it's a waiting game as El Dorado is 4 to 6 months out.
It happened in April of 2012. Yih-Chau Chang and myself wrote an article about it in the examiner. It was a crazy night. While I can no longer find the link to the SD Examiner article, I found some other site that published the article. It's an interesting read. It was written post application with antioch, but pre coco county application. http://www.mynameisfoxtrot.com/journ...-invasion.html Last edited by jessdigs; 12-08-2016 at 7:08 PM.. |
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https://calgunsfoundation.org/wp-con...e_pitchess.pdf The Antioch CoP is just another lawbreaking CLEO, who doesn't give a flying you-know-what about your rights (to have your application individually reviewed), your life, or obeying the law.
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In CoCo you need to be a 1%er to get issued. -g
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It's unfortunate that it seems to fall on deaf ears.
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Yes, he is a good man and one we want on our side. He runs a very informative facebook page called responsible citizens of California. If you get a chance, check it out.
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Thanks. Will do.
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Hmm I'm pretty skeptical about applying as I feel I qualify. My profession is workin with a lot of money but my company won't allow me to carry. I wanted to obtain because I work with a lot of money and I'm in moving to Antioch. With that said, and the people who got approved, wouldni quakify? Or even stand a chance? Also, if I'm able to obtain, would I be able to conceal in other counties? And is it 3 firearms in the rotation or 5?
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I don't remember what Livingston's policy may allow; I seem to recall it was 2 rather than 3; the state does not care how many you list, and of the listed guns you may carry none or all at the same time, if you like. Nothing ventured, nothing gained; Livingston is at least marginally better than San Francisco in issuing some CCW.
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While the process is tedious with some bit of expense involved, and little chance of success, I feel we all in Contra Costa county should apply at least once (I have, and was turned down for no reason), because if nothing else it slowly builds pressure on authorities and also builds a class of plaintiffs for some future legal action.
We are being denied our Constitutional rights, plain and simple. There is no requirement in the Constitution to show good cause or any reason whatsoever for carrying. Sooner or later, this is going to become the historic case in the courts....whether this county or another. We have an absolute right to keep and bear arms, and, if I'm not mistaken, this dates back to English law in pre-colonial times. (I'm not a lawyer.)
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