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Old 04-26-2019, 9:20 PM
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I finally got around to applying for my COE. I did the fingerprints yesterday, submitted the online app this morning. I’ve had my 03 forever, but I’m finally getting around to this so I can take advantage of some of the PSA ammo sales. Now the waiting game begins.
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I have a prime ammo membership with Target Sports USA and they deliver no problem. Most places don’t have an issue. If you look in the C and R forum there is a sticky that lists all the places that will ship ammo to CA peeps. I am on mobile but once I get to my computer I’ll PM it to you if you can’t find it.

I live in a 900XX zip code as well
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I finally got around to applying for my COE. I did the fingerprints yesterday, submitted the online app this morning. I’ve had my 03 forever, but I’m finally getting around to this so I can take advantage of some of the PSA ammo sales. Now the waiting game begins.
Not much of a wait. Should have it available to download/print in a couple business days. The 03 takes forever, but you took care of that already.

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I finally got around to applying for my COE. I did the fingerprints yesterday, submitted the online app this morning. I’ve had my 03 forever, but I’m finally getting around to this so I can take advantage of some of the PSA ammo sales. Now the waiting game begins.


I don’t think PSA acknowledges the exemption though.
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I don’t think PSA acknowledges the exemption though.
They need you to fax them the info with every order. Target Sports is much easier, upload to their site into your account profile, done.

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They need you to fax them the info with every order. Target Sports is much easier, upload to their site into your account profile, done.

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Ah, good to know.
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They need you to fax them the info with every order. Target Sports is much easier, upload to their site into your account profile, done.

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You don’t have to Fax PSA.
You use there online messaging webpage to submit the 03 & COE. I use PDFs.
But you do have to do it for every order.

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You don’t have to Fax PSA.
You use there online messaging webpage to submit the 03 & COE. I use PDFs.
But you do have to do it for every order.

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I knew it was something like that! Every order is a pain.

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It is my understanding, you do need to keep a log book handy even if you will have it emptied log.
I'll have to look into that, but I was told by a buddy of mine that is a lawyer (although not a firearms lawyer, but can read those crazy laws) that I don't need one if I never buy one and register it online with CFARS. That makes sense, but I'm in CA, so that doesn't mean much. HA!

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After the FFL03 arrives a follow up “Welcome Packet” will turn up in a couple of weeks.

Not much in the packet, but it does contain a folded page for use as a logbook.


Oh and although not a lawyer, I don’t even play one on TV, but, , I believe you need to present a logbook if requested for inspection, even if the book is empty.

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After the FFL03 arrives a follow up “Welcome Packet” will turn up in a couple of weeks.

Not much in the packet, but it does contain a folded page for use as a logbook.


Oh and although not a lawyer, I don’t even play one on TV, but, , I believe you need to present a logbook if requested for inspection, even if the book is empty.

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That's right, I got that packet with that simple log book. You could show that one to them, but if you don't buy anything I don't know if they'd ever ask to see it. But who knows.

Anyone here ever been asked to present your log book but had never bought anything?

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For the COE:
I'll throw in that the ATI number was barely legible on the form after filled. Make sure your number is written legibly before you walk out of the livescan place.

In the case it's not legible, a hint that helped me was that it's a combination of the last name of the person who rolled your fingers, a couple numbers, some part of your name, and a few more numbers.

With that info, I was able to guess the correct ATI number.

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After the FFL03 arrives a follow up “Welcome Packet” will turn up in a couple of weeks.

Not much in the packet, but it does contain a folded page for use as a logbook.


Oh and although not a lawyer, I don’t even play one on TV, but, , I believe you need to present a logbook if requested for inspection, even if the book is empty.

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That logbook only has 9 spots though . Most of us will need more than that!
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That logbook only has 9 spots though . Most of us will need more than that!
A bound book doesn't need to be bound or a book. Organized sheets (page numbers, etc.) are acceptable.

You can create your own and print it out or you can photocopy the example, as well as buying something.
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Just for clarification, the bound book is for the Feds. And for COE we fill out an online form when purchasing a C&R?
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Just for clarification, the bound book is for the Feds. And for COE we fill out an online form when purchasing a C&R?
COE? Certificate of Eligibility, there is no requirements. For CA, it depends on how a C&R is acquired, since if a DROS is done, nothing more is needed for the state. To record it, the paper form can also be used.
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COE? Certificate of Eligibility, there is no requirements. For CA, it depends on how a C&R is acquired, since if a DROS is done, nothing more is needed for the state. To record it, the paper form can also be used.
This.
The DROS takes care of the California registration/reporting requirement.
The bound book entry is required regardless of whether the transfer is through an FFL or FTF.
If the transfer is executed through an FFL, then the bound book entry "acquired from/disposed to" is the FFL information, not the other party.
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This.
The DROS takes care of the California registration/reporting requirement.
The bound book entry is required regardless of whether the transfer is through an FFL or FTF.
If the transfer is executed through an FFL, then the bound book entry "acquired from/disposed to" is the FFL information, not the other party.
I should have been clear. If I purchase a C&R firearm I just log it in the book for the Feds. For California I fill out a form online for the DOJ. Or send in a form. Is this the process?

Just received my COE. Took 10 calendar days. Now just waiting for FFL03.

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I should have been clear. If I purchase a C&R firearm I just log it in the book for the Feds. For California I fill out a form online for the DOJ. Or send in a form. Is this the process?
It needs to be logged into the bound book regardless of the source.
If you purchase it through an FFL, then nothing more needs to be done.
If you purchase a long gun it face-to-face, or purchase a long gun or handgun outside of California, you must report the acquisition either by mailing in the form or online through CFARS.
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Ok... So, my FFL03 has arrived yesterday. To sum it up, I did the live scan and mailed in the apps on 04/08/19. Got the COE about 10 days later. Received the FFL03 on 05/17/19. Not bad.

I guess now, I will be expecting the welcome pack which includes the log sheet.
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Ok... So, my FFL03 has arrived yesterday. To sum it up, I did the live scan and mailed in the apps on 04/08/19. Got the COE about 10 days later. Received the FFL03 on 05/17/19. Not bad.

I guess now, I will be expecting the welcome pack which includes the log sheet.
You need to make your own bound book, one is not provided.

You can print one from Excel, download one, or buy a pre-made book from Amazon. There is no defined format, just information required.
I printed mine on ledger size paper (11x17) and use a 3-ring binder.
If you can't find an 11x17 notebook locally (they are hard to find), you can do a double-fold on the 11x17 to bring it down to 8.5.
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Here is an example bound book.
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Here is an example bound book.
Awesome. Thanks. I will print several pages of this and bind them in a folder to create log book.
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Awesome. Thanks. I will print several pages of this and bind them in a folder to create log book.
A "bound book" doesn't need to be bound, nor a book. An order of pages is fine. Change the date and the page number and print the pages as you need it. You can put them in a notebook or just keep them together.
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I was wondering... Since I've got FFL 03, does any one actually use it to buy relic?

Is there a thread in this forum where I can actually learn how to use the license?
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I was wondering... Since I've got FFL 03, does any one actually use it to buy relic?

Is there a thread in this forum where I can actually learn how to use the license?
Yes to both questions.

However, my 1940s, 50s and 60s Winchester’s and Marlins are kinda touchy about being called relics. They prefer - “vintage C&R” firearms. 😎
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I applied for my COE yesterday but I’m just confused why wouldn’t my CCW suffice since I had to live scan and background for that. Anyone know why? I’ll apply for FFL03 once I get the COE.
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I applied for my COE yesterday but I’m just confused why wouldn’t my CCW suffice since I had to live scan and background for that. Anyone know why? I’ll apply for FFL03 once I get the COE.
Different Livescan.
Technically, the CCW background check is more intensive and SHOULD satisfy the requirements for the COE, but each type of Livescan is different.
You can have a COE, CCW, be an attorney, and a school teacher, and you'll still need to get a new Livescan to get a Real Estate license.
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I have used it to buy C&R.
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Different Livescan.
Technically, the CCW background check is more intensive and SHOULD satisfy the requirements for the COE, but each type of Livescan is different.
You can have a COE, CCW, be an attorney, and a school teacher, and you'll still need to get a new Livescan to get a Real Estate license.
This. Frustrating but true.

Also, for @mwjakel15, you should apply for ffl03 ASAP. These days COE comes pretty quickly. The ffl may take some real time. Used to be a couple of months for COE - once the ammo regs passed and all retail employees who might touch ammo needed a COE, the COE processing times came way down. You'll likely have your COE for multiple weeks before you have your ffl, even if applying at the same time.
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Even if you are only getting the licenses for the purpose of purchasing ammo and being exempt from California's 1-every-30, you still need to have and maintain a bound book (even if it's empty). In my case, I have exactly one entry in my bound book.
So you don't have to backfill the bound book with, say, a C&R rifle you bought like 30 years ago, is that correct? The records you are legally required to keep commence with receipt of the license, and there is no retroactive requirement?

Too, can one make a LiveScan multitask? A family member has an upcoming LiveScan appointment for CCW. Can this be put to use for the CCW and for an 03 FFL/COE? If not, why not?
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Can this be put to use for the CCW and for an 03 FFL/COE? If not, why not?
It is the government, that's why. It doesn't have to make sense, in fact, if it makes sense then it has to change as it would be unacceptable for it to make sense.

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BRUH, I just ink card's for ATF FFL (different license) Had to live scan for pawn license, already have COE, and now the stupid local city is requiring me to live scan for their stupid local firearms license, Welcome to the club brosef.
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It is the government, that's why. It doesn't have to make sense, in fact, if it makes sense then it has to change as it would be unacceptable for it to make sense.

I am only somewhat joking.
I'm with you on that but saw no harm in asking.
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So you don't have to backfill the bound book with, say, a C&R rifle you bought like 30 years ago, is that correct? The records you are legally required to keep commence with receipt of the license, and there is no retroactive requirement?
No. Only C&R arms acquired or disposed of while you are licensed need to be logged.
If you dispose of a gun that you have owned since before you were licensed, THEN you need to log it for the disposition, and under the "acquired" column indicate "Personal collection prior to licensing"

Many C&R holders allow their license to expire intentionally every few cycles, as that allows you to destroy your bound book (unlike a commercial FFL, who must pack and ship his records to the BATFE). Allowing your personal 03 to expire allows you to restart your collection with a clean bound book... makes things a lot easier if you are called in for an audit only having to pack up and take your newest 10 guns to the BATFE field office, rather than the 150 in your collection from the last 20 years.
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Too, can one make a LiveScan multitask? A family member has an upcoming LiveScan appointment for CCW. Can this be put to use for the CCW and for an 03 FFL/COE? If not, why not?
Unfortunately no.
Different Livescan.
Technically, the CCW background check is more intensive and SHOULD satisfy the requirements for the COE, but each type of Livescan is different.
You can have a COE, CCW, be an attorney, and a school teacher, and you'll still need to get a new Livescan to get a Real Estate license.
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Allowing your personal 03 to expire allows you to restart your collection with a clean bound book... makes things a lot easier if you are called in for an audit only having to pack up and take your newest 10 guns to the BATFE field office, rather than the 150 in your collection from the last 20 years.
Never would have thought of that.

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Hey any update if OP got his 03? Im on day 60 and still nothing. CC was charged on the 3rd of april
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What exactly is the chief of police form?letting them know i set up shop basically?but they dont need to give a yay or nay on this?
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Hey any update if OP got his 03? Im on day 60 and still nothing. CC was charged on the 3rd of april
Yes, it did. Refer to above comment #100.
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