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Old 03-13-2019, 7:45 PM
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In every country that has had government failure and strife every one of the survivors complained about not having enough ammo and weapons. Food was not the top concern.

Every one of them. I think its wise to listen to them.
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This video made sense.

Cherry picking apples to oranges.

If we're going to base ammo decisions on police, then in addition to the 2.5 (whatever he said) rounds per dead bad guy let's also take in to account the thousands of rounds per year they shoot at the practice range to keep their skills at a level where it only takes so few rounds per bad guy

Also, Wild Bill unloaded and reloaded his cap and ball revolvers every single day. So if we're going to include him, figure 2190 rounds per year per revolver. I'm sure the other honorable old west mentions also did things a certain way and practiced quite a bit, accounting for more rounds total consumption as well.

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I disagree with his commentary on the militia aspect. Cherry-picking like you said. He is assuming small arms will strictly be used against a modern military might. We can see from multiple combat zones since the 90s this is not the case. If SHTF here (depending on what scenario) you would see small arms and heavy weapons in use. Look at what is going on in Donetsk.

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Cherry picking apples to oranges.

If we're going to base ammo decisions on police, then in addition to the 2.5 (whatever he said) rounds per dead bad guy let's also take in to account the thousands of rounds per year they shoot at the practice range to keep their skills at a level where it only takes so few rounds per bad guy

Also, Wild Bill unloaded and reloaded his cap and ball revolvers every single day. So if we're going to include him, figure 2190 rounds per year per revolver. I'm sure the other honorable old west mentions also did things a certain way and practiced quite a bit, accounting for more rounds total consumption as well.

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ANY mention of suppressive fire is completely neglected in the video.
I'm just saying...
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It’s a stupid idea beyond currency. If you’ve blasted through that much ammunition and haven’t taken out any combatants to take ammo/weapons from, you’re doing something wrong.

Keep in mind how many people live in LA alone. You've gotta cut through THAT many zombies... in almost EVERY blue state.


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Obviously if your out numbered and you have a ton of ammo, you are still going down---but in doing so the "enemy" is going to take losses.

Having the ammo for yourself and like minded is better that not having it. Beats sticks and stones.

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I’m gonna add more to this

Having lots of ammo, you can also supply your friends, family and neighbors you trust to have your back.

Seems to me that California’s Ammo Laws are aimed at this situation to prevent people from doing so.
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Obviously if your out numbered and you have a ton of ammo, you are still going down---but in doing so the "enemy" is going to take losses.

Having the ammo for yourself and like minded is better that not having it. Beats sticks and stones.

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Give a man a bullet he'll shoot for a day. Teach a man to build bullets he'll survive forever! Learned that from the walking dead
Yes, but if you make the primer and propellant from matches, you end up with ammo that can be stopped with a bat...
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It's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.
Thanks for this one, I’m gonna use it.

OP, it depends on what a persons plan is and what they think may happen. Some see it as planning for a few days or weeks. Maybe months. Inner city? Mountains with access to hunting? Different ammo needs both in type and quantity. I only have maybe 60 rounds per for my two hunting rifles as an example. Not a lot of big game hunting accessible.

Some people go off the assumption that if society collapses it could be years. What then? Training , teaching your kids. If two years in your guns turn into paper weights, well, maybe paper will be scarce too...

I think there’s no right answer for everyone, only the wrong answer of “none”. I think some TEOTWAKI books (I noticed it heavily emphasized in 60 Seconds After, which by the way may be one of the best of the genre) floating it out as currency caused a lot of the years long 22 shortage/crazy prices.

I have a buddy who says 2k minimum for everything, do you know how much room 2k rounds of 12ga would take up!?

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Place your bets gentlemen it’s time for new cards to be dealt. I’m betting more is better then less.
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Old 03-15-2019, 8:48 AM
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Im not really worried about the amount of ammo. I have Reloaders disease. Shoot 200 rounds, load 300, now Im stuck with a part of the garage has a slight gravitational pull.
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Yeah I'm not a gambling man, but forced to wager, I'm taking the over in this exercise.

Less is never a good option in a gun battle.
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Because 22lr was $12 a brick of 550 10 years ago...
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IRL... Under Obama, with Democrat lies, ignorance, and pushing for bans they spurred an AMAZING number of firearm sales, which the GEN.POP. needed to feed.
Obama stated as the "Gun Salesman of the Century"!
- https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/06/new...control-sales/

For the newbs: 2010-2013, one could not find much ammo at a reasonable price, especially SS109 5.56 went to nearly $1/round at one point...
People started flipping ammo at 200%-300%+ "RETAIL".
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E...ition_shortage

Additional rumors were that there was so much of the GEN.POP. not working under Obama's reign, they had a bunch of time to clean out stores of ammo, and make okay money flipping it for that 200-300%... all from home.
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I can see limits on possession coming in the future, once CA DOJ and our legislature start tracking the amount of ammo being purchased.
THIS right here is the long plan imho.
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I can see limits on possession coming in the future, once CA DOJ and our legislature start tracking the amount of ammo being purchased.
Never happen. They might put limits on how much you can buy but how much you can possess?
They'll have to throw out the 5th and the 4th amendments as well as the 2nd amendment. They don't have the manpower to do it anyway..
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"They" are not above changing the classification of ammo to be inline with powder, certain chemicals and restrict amount and storage restrictions in residences.

In essence with the new regulations you are registering your ammo and where it is stored. (I expect more regulations to follow once they get their foot in the door on this subject and not excluding local governments getting involved).

They don't care how much you shoot, it's what they think you have on hand. The records will only show purchases, not range time. Purchases will be accumulative.

Since ammo is an expendable, why even register it if your not going to control all aspects of it eventually?

Again, I'd like to be wrong, but...

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My situation aside if I were land based I guess I don't see the need for more than I could shoot? How many rounds does a prepper think they can shoot without being shot?
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Have two good friends with 10,000's of rounds of ammo keep telling me that I must get more. Mind you I live on a boat and weight is an issue on a sailboat. I was thinking about it though and realized if I ran out of 250 rounds of 45 acp, ran out of 500 rounds of 5.56 and the 100 rounds of 300 WM the SHTF would be real; and seriously if I went through that much ammo what chance in hell does one have on a fiberglass sailboat anyway?

My situation aside if I were land based I guess I don't see the need for more than I could shoot? How many rounds does a prepper think they can shoot without being shot?
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Because this is only the beginning?
California passes semi-auto tax... To the next stage:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cali...utf-8&oe=utf-8
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If you aren't shooting 500 rounds a month (more is better), then you are not prepared and in practice to use a firearm in a stressful environment.
Lulz. I'm always amused by these kinds of comments. As someone who grew up in the backcountry, carried a gun daily and used it under stress on multiple occasions before I was legally considered an adult, I can definitively state this is not a universal truth. Danger in the real world comes largely from bullies and wild animals, neither of which are hard to deal with from behind a handgun.
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Ammo, is a untapped currency. It will be as valuable as gold if not more so in a SHTF situation.

Trade for goods will be a must, bullets will be hard to get but will be a very practical trade currency as it is multi purposed mix of hunting and self preservation.
Hahaha.....just how long do you think you're going to last when everyone realizes, "Hey, that's the guy with all the ammo!".
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For the most part I enjoyed shooting during the ammo crunch and it wasn't too big a deal for me. With prices going up, legislation, etc having a little stockpile ensures I can enjoy the sport in hard times.

As for SHTF, ya I kinda agree with you. If your not an active shooter you don't need a boatload of ammo. Enough to stay proficient and a SHTF stash.

I guess it also depends on your boat. Is it something that needs to stay in the Delta or Bay or can you get out to sea and away from everybody.

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Many also think running out of money is a concern too, which is why many also stock alternate currency, or old tangible currencies that have been used as money since human civilization started...
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Hahaha.....just how long do you think you're going to last when everyone realizes, "Hey, that's the guy with all the ammo!".

If your military like me, you know how much of a fight we will put up. You also know we have skills and tactics we can use

But in this situation your not going to have a store full of inventory for people to be incentivized to come in and take. Your going to stash and burry supplies in multiple locations.

When you do trading it will be a few rounds at a time. Point is you use due diligence and your not going to be advertising with a sign that says trade for ammo here.
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Don't overlook keeping supplied with fresh meat. Without refrigeration meet will need to be replenished almost daily.

Depending on your hunting skills and the availability of targets you may burn through a lot of ammo.

Probably won't be to bad the first few weeks with plenty of k-9's and cats around but after that you will be moving to 2 legged targets some of which will shoot back.
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Don't overlook keeping supplied with fresh meat. Without refrigeration meet will need to be replenished almost daily.

Depending on your hunting skills and the availability of targets you may burn through a lot of ammo.

Probably won't be to bad the first few weeks with plenty of k-9's and cats around but after that you will be moving to 2 legged targets some of which will shoot back.
Smoking meat to cure for long term will be key
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I don't know if I like my neighbors enough to smoke them.
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I don't know if I like my neighbors enough to smoke them.
The hardest part is rolling them into those little paper things.
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After reading all this sheet hit the fan blah blah blah. At my ages I’ll just get a plane ticket to Asia and enjoy the red light district all I want while you guys think of how much ammo and guns you can carry. I salute you for all your toughness and bravery while your holding that precious ar built in your hands and all the high end gears you bought from calguns. Don’t worry I’ll be back when things get better
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I live next to the ocean.
A good surf fishing setup is a must...
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Posted this in January and I didn't think in January that I'd be a home owner again by May. I am; so weight limits now only give away to cash limits.
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Posted this in January and I didn't think in January that I'd be a home owner again by May. I am; so weight limits now only give away to cash limits.
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Save for doing a full on mag dump every time I loaded a gun, I have more ammo than I could realistically shoot in my remaining lifetime. In addition to putting it downrange, I give it as gifts, trade one kind for another, etc.

Varying political climates will make it harder and more expensive to come by at certain times vs others, so having a substantial stash to get through those times is important to me. Sandy Hook opened my eyes to that.
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Get it while it's hot I guess is the sentiment.
Actually, get it while you don't need it.
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