|
Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
||||
|
||||
CCW Denied by Sacramento Sheriff......because of where I work?
I applied for the CCW and went to my appointment last month. The detectives were very positive and in more or less words said "mine was an easy one" and it would get approved.
Well fast forward to today, I get the mail, and I get a denial. The reasoning is: "Due to your ability to apply with your current, employer, the sheriff does not grant your application request to be the recipient of a Concealed Weapons Permit." I work for CDCR, but I am not a correctional officer nor any type of peace officer. I called and left a message with the number there...but I am unsure what type of "documents" I need to submit an appeal. I don't understand how I would be denied a CCW with a spic'n'span clean record, just because of where I work. Anyone else have this happen before? |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
That sucks. Sorry to hear the bad news. Hope you get to appeal.
__________________
********************* WTS: 1. PW 800+ Hydro Multispeed (just the hydraulic unit that also works with Spolar press) 2. PW 800B converted to 800C (12 gauge) with lots of accessories and upgrades 3. Hornady 366 (12 gauge) |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Clearly they made a mistake. More than likely they didn't look closely at your job title. CDCR issues CCW authorization to their qualified peace officers. For anyone who is not a peace officer in their organization the only place you can obtain a LTC is the city (if you live inside one and its chief issues) or the county sheriff. Just appeal and explain this situation. Perhaps a job description for your position would help them.
|
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Isn't it frustrating that your fundamental right to defend yourself was so flippantly denied?
|
#6
|
||||
|
||||
They did not ask, and i didnt think it was something i had to tell them.
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
From the sheriffs perspective it looks like you applied at work and they turned you down because they know something about you (no judgement or accusation by me!) by working with you. Apply at work, if they reject your application because "that's not something we do here" take that letter to the sheriff showing it's not you it's the protocol where you work. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
If he is not a CDCR peace officer they cannot authorize him to carry CCW. For non-peace officers they must contact the Sheriff's dept of their county of residence or the police dept if they live in a city and want to try there first. CDCR has no legal authority to authorize non-peace officer carry of a firearm while not at work.
|
#11
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
From what I understand about C/Os is that since they are peace officers, but not full time peace officers, they only need to get their department to issue them a qualification card for their weapon to CCW off duty. I do not have the ability to apply to CDCR for a CCW, even if I was a C/O, and I'm just a peper pusher for medical. I am upset because I'm a civil servant performing a service for our state, yet I am denied but if I worked at Burger King it would be kosher. /rant |
#12
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
SACMEDIC has it right! Use the bureaucracy in place. Consider this a mis-understanding during application -- oh well, stuff happens. File your appeal to the Sac Sheriff Office (SSO) http://www.sacsheriff.com/organization/office_of_the_sheriff/images/ccw_process.pdf Page 3: "Applicants who are denied a concealed weapons permit will be advised of the reason for the denial." Your denial was: "Due to your ability to apply with your current, employer, the sheriff does not grant your application request to be the recipient of a Concealed Weapons Permit." (SSO) "Applicants may appeal if their application for a permit is denied. All appeals must be submitted in writing to:" "Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department Attention: Gun Permits 711 G Street Sacramento, CA 95814" "Written appeals should be specific, clearly outlining the applicant’s rebuttal to the reason stated for denial. Additional information, which may be pertinent to the applicant’s request for a permit should also be included." Your appeal should be simple, but should not be based on "...what I understand...). You just have to show that you don't, "...have the ability to apply (for a CCW) with your current employer...". You need to do this with facts, not impressions. A quick contact with your HR community should be able to confirm (in writing) that your state job classification does not provide for CCW through CDCR. (They don't need to know why you're asking, but a simple, "...this came up in discussion...", might get you there.) I suspect it will be a derivative of your classification not being subject to the conditions of CDCR Operations Manual, Chapter 5, Article 1, and Penal Code (PC) Sections 830.2(d)(1) & (2) and PC 830.5., (but I could be wrong.) A short, polite letter, attaching your denial and your supporting documents should suffice. Note: Appeals must be received by the Sheriff’s Department no later than (30) thirty days from the date of the notification letter. Best of Luck, (29 days left) JR |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Definitely appeal. Something has definitely gotten lost in translation!
__________________
*** In comparing the virtues of various calibers, using hollow point ammo: it is absolutely undeniable that, while a 9 mm or .40 S&W may or may not expand, a .45 will never shrink. ***
Last edited by BJU2bones; 01-17-2013 at 3:59 PM.. Reason: mis-spelling |
#15
|
||||
|
||||
I would expect you to have very good chances on appeal and they do take appeals seriously in Sacramento County.
-Gene
__________________
Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
|
#16
|
||||
|
||||
Very interesting. I too am a civilian with CDCR and want to get my LTC. It should be pretty straight forward if you tell them that CDCR does not give them to non peace officers. Keep us posted.
|
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks for the replies everyone. I contacted my HR and got no response as expected, so i cant wait any longer. Submitted a letter to the effect of "cdcr has no authority to issue ccw to non peace officers, i am not nor ever have been a peace officer" i further explain my work classification and respectfully request an appeal.
Lets see what happens. |
#21
|
||||
|
||||
Quick update guys:
Just got a letter from the Sheriff's office. Exact same letter as the original, except they replaced the word "Application" with the word "Appeal" I've completely lost all faith in our local government, and I no longer have any respect for the "authority" when they obviously have no respect for citizens' rights. |
#25
|
||||
|
||||
I searched the Department Operations Manual (DOM) and it doesn't say anything about non peace officers being able to get a CCW through CDCR. In fact the only thing it mentions is that peace officers with their PC 832 can qualify and honorably retired peace officers can apply for one. I'm not quite sure how you can prove something that isn't in the DOM but maybe you can print out the parts where it says peace officers and retired peace officers. Also, the only CDCR forms I could find pertaining to it is regarding retired peace officers.
Good luck.
__________________
10mm collector |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
You are freaking kidding! |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Yeah, but you were denied for an invalid reason. Contact them and see. Keep bugging them. Don't give up.
__________________
10mm collector |
#29
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
__________________
Jack Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA? No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer. |
#30
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I would also suggest a call to Amber (she is a functionary, not a decision maker) and briefly and politely explain there is some great confusion over your classification status under the state and that is causing the rejection. How can you best proceed? With whom can you speak? JR |
#31
|
||||
|
||||
Dig around as discussed above, then, at the end of April - if you don't have success, contact CGF.
-Gene
__________________
Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
|
#33
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
Doesn’t have to be CDCR – this scenario would apply to any LE agency, even Sac County Sheriff staff who are not sworn officers who apply for CCW. This can’t possibly be new to, or in any way confusing to SCSD that while you work for CDCR, you are not PC832 and would therefore not be empowered to carry by that agency – any more than an office technician at SCSD would be able to carry because she works for SCSD. Story seems a little fishy - Last edited by johnjohn301; 03-27-2013 at 2:27 PM.. |
#34
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
I got denied twice, with those exact reasons. My record is clean, I have never done anything wrong, and I work for CCHCS |
#35
|
||||
|
||||
I did last week, and as yet have received no response.
|
#36
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Billy |
#37
|
||||
|
||||
Mossy Man sorry you have been denied twice. Sounds like BS to me. Keep trying. It sounds like the denied you thinking that you are a peace officer and are covered under PC.830.5. Make shore they know that you are a non-peace officer that works for CDCR. If a CSC can get a CDW so can you. Keep trying.
|
#38
|
||||
|
||||
my husband is a CO with CDCR and I'm going to assume they just saw CDCR and assumed what the poster below stated. Since the peace officers MUST qualify quarterly with off duty weapon to get the card through CDCR they may have made the assumption you could not do so, thus seeking from the SO. I'd appeal and make sure they know you are admin or other type of employee, not a peace officer and a letter from CDCR explaining this couldn't hurt. Sorry you hit a snag. My husband tried to be nice and not rub it in after we took a CCW class together (he came along to support me) and he 1)didn't have to pay since the instructor was cool like that for any LEO or peace officers, 2) got to take his little page right into work and bam 3) had his "permit" that day. sigh....me? still jumping through the hoops like a pup in training! :P Let us know how it goes!
Quote:
__________________
The answer to 1984 is 1776! |
#39
|
||||
|
||||
Quote:
|
#40
|
|||
|
|||
I'm new here but.............
Quote:
Pertaining just to me - there was nothing I did not disclose at my initial interview/application submission that had the slightest chance of being pertinent to my LTC; including "dumb stuff" I did as an adolescent or young adult and/or all of my previous employers and my present occupation. As a result, my interview probably took longer than it should have, but there were no unanswered questions when I left and zero problems. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|