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Steven: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 12:02am PDT Good evening, I have a question about carrying a concealed firearm with a California Concealed Weapons permit in the non-sterile public areas of the Airport when dropping off or picking up airline passengers. I was told this is OK from other friends with California CCW permits. Is this Correct? Thank You. Los Angeles Airport Police: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 7:16am PDT With a valid CCW in the non sterile area. That is correct. Steven: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 7:24am PDT Thank you very much for your quick response. Los Angeles Airport Police: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 7:27am PDT My pleasure. Be safe and thank you for checking with us. |
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Exactly, hence my previous caution about LAX specifically.
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The actual permit states that clearly. Here's a Butte Cty example: Hopefully, the "credit card ID" OC gives you is clear on that.....
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You could even have asked how that makes any sense given the LAX LAWA Rules and Regulations regarding firearms clearly extend only to the limits of the sterile areas: https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-we...EDC1A55C67D1ED Quote:
(Security Identification Display Area (SIDA)
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Is there a county ordinance posted on the sign, and if so, does it specifically address firearms with no exceptions?
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No exceptions. I browsed OC Muni Code and could not find an exception. The section in the pic is OCCO Sec 2-5-37
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Actually looks like that section was mentioned back in 2010 earlier in the thread.
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The current LAWA LAX regulations (see above) are pretty clear on the extent of firearms restriction.
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Yes, but has anyone told LAPD?
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Doesn’t matter.....LAWA PD has jurisdiction and enforcement responsibilities for LAX.
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What policy change has occurred within LAPD that forecloses their out-of-jurisdiction activities such as 'checkpoints' at LAX?
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For clarification: The 2009 incident didn’t involve licensed concealed carry. It involved a guy with a bunch of guns in his truck bed, some of which were loaded. He cut a plea deal. The 2009 incident you cited (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-wit...rested-at-lax/) was not an LAPD intervention. LAWA PD were running the checkpoint, and then provided information to the press (if it was an LAPD activity an LAPD spokesperson would have done this). From the article you posted: Quote:
The LAWA regulations posted earlier are 2017, which may have clarified the parameters: https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-we...EDC1A55C67D1ED Apparently, the LAWA PD rep to whom the poster spoke is not fully informed on the refs nor state law. But LAPD doesn’t have a dog in this fight. Best.
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I remember going to visit my girlfriends parents in Durango and flying out of LAX in the mid 80s. I had never flown anywhere other than skydiving so I called and asked if i could transport my pistol. I brought a Govt model and 6-800 rds of handrolled .45 lead swc in a big pouch. I wanted to shoot at the range by her folks house.
They would take the pistol but wouldn,t let me transport the rds because no boxs, or homemade or something. I was poor and didn,t want to lose the rds so I brought them to LA Airport police office and they did not want to help me. I begged and they said they'd hold the cartridges but nobody would be responsible. No reciept or anything. So I did make the flight and I did get the rds on my way home. I was surprised and grateful. It was like "you should know better than to fly around with homemade ammo"!
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County Ordinances?
[QUOTE=baggss;21495868]As in many other counties, Ventura County prohibits CCW in County Parks. Yes, I asked the VCSD CCW unit if CCW holders were exempt and their rely was "NO".
http://ventura-ca.elaws.us/code/coor...art7_sec6307-4[/QUO Can anyone cite the State Case Law that allows counties to restrict gun rights?? |
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Definitive "Where can I carry in CA?" list (Legalities)
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There are, however, signs at the entrances to those City of Elk Grove buildings with general weapons prohibitions. SSD places a condition on the license prohibiting carrying where there are signs prohibiting firearms, so if you’re licensed by Sac County or any other IA that places a similar condition, you cannot carry there. (Any “concealed means concealed” parrots can save the effort and hold their beaks — heard it so many times it’s lost its meaning.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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(Of course, I’ve spent years training myself to not read signs....)
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It's a great app, but unfortunately, it does not have the nuances of county-by-county or city-by-city differences. It only covers state law. California has state preemption so in general, you're OK following your IA's guidelines, but other states do not and what is legal in Boulder might not be legal in Denver.
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The discussion of 'illegal to carry in county parks' has been moved to its own thread, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=22452038
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I called the LAX Police Department and spoke with the front desk.
They told me that CCW's are okay in NON STERILE areas. And the area right in front of the baggage gate check in for passengers is considered STERILE. They also said because of the heightened security environment, be careful when driving in through any road security checks into LAX. He admitted that they do not run into CCW's very often and it is very rare. But now it does seem like they are aware of the CCW validity and acknowledged that CCW's are STATE LAW. I tried to be as nice as possible, because it's important for LAX PD to know that CCW's are on the same side as the police! And they will only realize this with repeated interactions with very well behaved CCWs! |
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I ask, because it is legal to fly with unloaded, properly encased guns, and the lines to check in with such guns seem, to me, to be in the area "right in front of the baggage gate check in ". In most airports, 'sterile' is beyond (or at/within, I guess since those are usually an area rather than a 'bright line') the TSA checkpoint. 49 CFR 1540.5 says Quote:
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I've taken legally locked unloaded firearms into LAX before and had it TSA'd on American Airlines and United. No problem. So it doesn't apply the individual check in baggage areas. No problem sir! Glad to have helped! |
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I'm thinking it's more like being shown there are water fountains. They're still separate, but at least they're acknowledged as existing.
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Below is the question I posed and response I got (in writing) regarding CCW:
To Whom it may Concern: LAX regulation regarding firearms as below: 7.6 Carriage of Firearms 7.6.1 No person except peace officers, federal law enforcement officers (LEO), or members of the armed forces of the United States on official duty shall carry any firearm or explosives in the Secured Area (AOA), SIDA, or Sterile Area without prior written permission from the Chief of Airport Police or designee. Both Federal Regulation (49 CFR 1540.111(a)) and CA Penal code (PC171.5(b)) only prohibit possession of firearm when entering a sterile area. Assume not attempt to enter secure/sterile area, can individual with California Carry Conceal Weapons permit allowed to possess/carry their firearm listed on the permit in non-secure area (i.e. ticketing counter area, luggage claim area)? The Response I got as below: The areas outside of the sterile and secure areas that are deemed public, non-secure or non-private areas are held to the same rules and regulations as any public area in the State of California and subject to the laws of the state. For better clarification in regards to California Concealed Carry permits I would defer you to your legal counsel. Rob Pedregon Public Information Officer Office of the Chief of Airport Police 424-646-5591
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I just stumbled on this regarding the gun free school zone. This seems a bit concerning.
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See current 626.9, especially Quote:
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The first post was updated with that info - Quote:
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Thanks Librarian! I guess I won't be hiring Shouse for any of my legal needs
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This is a 'should not carry' rather than a place one can carry, but I keep losing the reference.
We get questions about carry on boats, harbor cruises and such - the governing law is FEDERAL, 18 USC 2277 - Quote:
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