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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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This is a lot of crying about nothing. Carry a pistol you don't really like when in SF City/County, no big deal. I sure as hell carried when I spent a lot of time in the mid-late '90's in SF, and that was way before the whole CCW revolution across the free states. If it gets seized, so what? Carry another pistol!
Shucks, I know MULTIPLE cops that quit carrying Kimber 1911's off duty and switched to Glocks or RIA 1911's or Sig 2022's or whatever when they realized their $1800 barbeque pistol would be in lockup for the duration of the investigation/trial if they had to use it. I don't wonder the majority of Glock 42/43's come from younger cops finally getting to retirement age. I know where my ca 1974 Model 60 Smith came from! |
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Why don't you let this go? Most of what is discussed on these forums could be considered hearsay, so what I choose to believe the folks that say SF has a problem with CCW's but you seem to think all is well in SF, if you think SF is all warm and fuzzy toward CCW holders thats ok but it's just your opinion.
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There is no real life factual example of it happening, no documented case of a gun being taken for no lawful reason, as has been mentioned by someone with a CCW who works in SF I believe, if there was a documented case that person would have won the lawsuit lottery, and we would all know about it. In the long run it doesn't really matter your going to continue your chicken little routine but take no corrective action for the perceived harm done. Post your bs facts that you can't back up, but play the victim real well when you get called on it, so carry on, oh that's right you don't carry. |
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I can add to this discussion that there are cops everywhere in Macy's square especially today. I was on edge every time I passed the bomb squad crews (there were a few of them and their vans) out there. Would have freaked everyone out if a dog was triggered by gunpowder smell on me from my edc, or at least that was all I could think about.
It was all good but keep in mind that there is a feeling of being in a police state out there. |
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If you think the dogs will alert on the ammo from your edc, why wouldn't they alert on the ammo carried by all of those cops? Oh, I bet the SFPD carries special dog-sniffing-proof elements which are placed into the hollowpoints. That's why hollowpoints are banned for general use in the city.* *When this gets reposted, I want credit for starting another myth. Last edited by Dvrjon; 11-25-2017 at 6:59 AM.. |
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I could teach that in my CCW classes too but, until I have proof, it's just FUD. Some CCW instructors do teach FUD as if it was law and try to claim it is until asked for a specific cite. Then, they just say "well, it's a good idea" or something similar. Don't take everything ANY CCW instructor says as gospel. No one knows every law in this state or how every LEO will react in a specific situation, not even a CCW instructor.
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That bad part about that is 'it's a required course' one would think that anything taught in a 'required' course would be 200% accurate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Ah, you might think IT is a required course. However, there isn't a specific course which is required. The requirement is to take A course. Not every math class is the same but, many will fulfill the same requirement.
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Wasn’t there a point where SF tried to deny acceptance of CA CCWs and got sued?
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Whereas most agencies have specific authorized/qualifying classes, so essentially it is a specific course. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I suspect this is why a few IAs require they they do the training themselves, so they can tightly control the content.
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Yes, most agencies has a list of authorized instructors/classes. That doesn't mean each course is identical. They will all cover the subject matter that the IA requires but, each one will be different with each instructor adding his/her own slant and expertise to his/her individual course.
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Is the info still valid? I’m traveling to SF for the weekend and carry my Shiled 9mm w/ Hornady Critical Defense HP. Do I need to buy some new ammo or load my range Blazer Brass FMJ rounds?
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The statewide LTC is valid in the City and County of San Francisco. SF ordinance still prohibits some hollowpoints. The language is so loose, it would be hard to obviously violate unless you carried Black Talons or an identical load. With the improvements in ammo over the last 20+ years, it's doubtful that the Hornady is equal to the BTs. Quote:
Here's the list: https://sanfranciscopolice.org/san-f...ted-ammunition There have been no reports of enforcement action.
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Awesome thank you. I looked up the ammo and mine isn’t on there so I’ll carry away like normal through that rat infested needle littered communist town.
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https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...472430013.html
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I emailed the SFPD Ingleside Station on 6/21/2018 regarding carrying in SF. Below was the response. Of course your experience may vary on the street.
Hi Last edited by sigbond; 06-26-2018 at 3:05 PM.. Reason: updated formatting for better readability |
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With exceptions for military or law enforcement possession, proposed Police Code § 618 generally prohibits possession of the following kinds of ammunition in the City and County of San Francisco: (1) Ammunition sold under the brand name "Winchester Black Talon," or that has physical properties resulting in ballistics performance identical to ammunition presently or formerly sold under the brand name Winchester Black Talon; or, (2) Ammunition designated by its manufacturer for purchase by law enforcement or military agencies only, unless other ammunition is available to the general public that has physical properties resulting in ballistics performance identical to such ammunition. (2) always seems like a grey area to me.
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"The best gun is the one you'll have on you when you need it the most, the one you know how to use, the one that goes BANG every single time you pull the trigger. Whether that gun cost you $349 or $1,100 it's worth every penny if it saves your life, or the life of someone you love.” -Tim Schmit, CCW Magazine July 2015 NRA Lifetime Member : CalGuns Lifetime Member : GOA Lifetime Member |
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Been making this offer for years and have never had to pay out; it's always a "friend of a guy" or "this instructor I heard of" or some other BS. I carry lawfully in SF most days and have spoken to numerous street cops and to a one, they have never heard of this. In fact I sort of wish something like this *would* happen to me. The city would be sued into oblivion. I get it, people love to hate on San Francisco, and yeah it's pretty messed up in some respects, but you shouldn't have to make up reasons to dislike the city.
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This FUD needs to end. |
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