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Any CA FFLs getting notice of distributors no longer shipping to CA due to Prop 65?
I got an email from a distributor last week about needing to put prop65 warnings on products and web listings. Now another distributor said it is suspending all sales to CA dealers on 8/21/18 until further notice.
I'm wondering if it is a temporary halt of sales until warning updates can be made.
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Not yet, but I did notice the prop 65 warning on Davidsons dealer site
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I just got a Email From Zander's. I tried looking at the prop 65 website and the best I can figure out is, The warning labels have been changed from "may cause cancer" to specifying the exact chemical that is contained that does cause cancer. What a **** show.
does anyone have any other insight? And what other wholesalers have you heard from? |
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rsr is updating thier ftp files to add the warning. davidsons sent something out but i did not read it. no info from my other 7 or so distributors
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Got the Zander's email today also. Bummer. They were pretty good and better prices than Davidson's. Will start hunting for another distributer. In the meantime, Davidson's will ship with 48 hr delays. Not bad.
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You mind posting a couple others that deal with smaller shops? Thanks in advance. |
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Birchwood Casey did this a couple of years ago.
It is what the Ballistol "no t-shirt sales to California" joke is about.
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You can try hicks (not bill hicks), will shoot, lew horton, mge. I rarely use them since I am tiered up at other distributors and they all need business so they might relax the requirements.
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I received some email notifications about new warnings and disclaimers, but that's about it. Nobody has indicated that they'll no longer do business here.
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I got an email from Zanders saying no mas, and I got one from Davidsons saying they will continue to ship to CA.
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In college I took a Biology of Cancer class which had guest speakers, one of which was a doctor who I later saw interviewed on TV as he was well know. Based on what he said in the class, I am waiting for produce being marked with the Prop. 65 warnings. There are two aspects to cancer, a mutagen and promoter (I think I got those terms correct) and things like broccoli are mutagens.
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I can't imagine any distributor being like its not worth it....especially right now in this industry. |
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Zander’s email said after 8-31-18 at 11:59 pm they will not ship any more to CA
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I got the same thing from Zanders (temporary halt in sales) and Davidson's (48 hour delay). I made an order through Lipseys and they didn't say anything about any CA restrictions.
I do a fair amount of Gunbroker transfers. I wonder if this will be one more reason for Gunbroker sellers to not sell to CA residents. I have not read the Prop 65 amendments so I don't know who the new requirements apply to. |
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I don't know why zanders can't fix it. Even lesliepool.com has the prop 65 warnings already on the website.
RSR website is down. Probably updating for prop 65.
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This prop 65 stuff is out of control. I ordered some supplies for my machine shop yesterday, and got a call today from a salesmen. He said he had to to call and inform me of some prop 65 things before he could complete entering the order. One, the cobalt drill bit I ordered contained Cobalt, a chemical know to California to cause cancer. Second, the twisted metal handle of a nylon bottle brush contained nickle, a chemical known to california to cause cancer. What a waste of everybodys time.
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So does that mean that nickles should have a notice attached to each and every one in CA?
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Yes the new Prop65 regulations are ridiculous. They now require different text depending on if the chemical causes cancer, or reproductive harm, or either cancer or reproductive harm, must list at least one specific chemical from the list of 850+ chemicals currently on the list, contain a warning symbol, the text "WARNING" in bold, a font size that is no smaller than the rest of the fonts on the packaging, etc...
It is even more difficult for a website as each product page also has to have the correct Prop65 warning on it. How is a retailer that offers thousands of products from hundreds of different manufacturers to keep up with this? If you just have a product in the store in the original packaging, you are pretty much in the clear as it is up to the mfg to have the warning on the packaging, but if you take a product out of the packaging, a firearm for instance, and put it on the wall or case, you are suppose to provide the warning alongside the product. The penalties can be up to $2500 per offense, per day. Now the Prop65 "enforcers" can just look at websites and find violations. I can see them specifically targeting firearm dealers as they are hostile to us as it is in the state. Here is how Amazon is supporting this for Amazon sellers. Lots of good info here: https://sellercentral.amazon.com/gp/...language=en_US Oh, and they made these changes because they were trying to make the regulations less burdensome. One good change they made is that if you get a notice of non-compliance you have 60 days to correct it before they could actually try to fine you. We received a letter from Christensen Arms the other day that notifies us that pretty much any firearm they make that contains stainless steel, aluminum, composite materials, or Cerakote needs a Prop65 warning for Nickel, Titanium Dioxide, Cumene, or Ethylbenzene. Last edited by shark92651; 09-07-2018 at 7:18 AM.. |
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https://shop.fender.com/en-US/electr...0.html#start=1 But all they do is link to the CA site https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov/
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WTF are we gonna have a list on everything now? I would imagine my keyboard and monitor is giving me cancer somehow.
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What the flyin f , at this point everything kills us and all manufactures of every product made should tell Commiefornia to piss off we are no longer shipping any goods into ur state.
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You went to the wrong middleman.
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Then you pay the middleman and the middleman orders and pays the source supplier, which is what I think that they were getting at.
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With a FFL? The main issue with a straw purchase is filling out the 4473, which dealers don't do. Often when you buy a firearm from a dealer, they buy it from someone else, who buys it from the manufacturer.
So, in summary, no.
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i was trying not to advertise in here but i can help you out. send me a pm with a link to the gun you want.
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Hmm... Now just who might be a good one?
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So what is everyone doing at their stores to comply with this. I was thinking about amending my customer agreement that everyone signs to have this sort of warning listed somehow.
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We use RSR, Big Rock, Ellet Bros and Davidsons and thus far none of them have said they are out and out refusing to ship to CA due to prop 65.
We did receive an email from Glock last week saying we needed to put up signage in the case with the Glock pistols and put tags on each individual pistol with a prop 65 warning on them. I guess eventually Glock is going to ship all their pistols to CA with warnings on the cases but we are still supposed to have tags on them to be in compliance with them as dealers. We also put signage throughout the rest of the gun room with Prop 65 warnings on them.
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MGE declined to do business with us recently due to prop 65. Stated that once the manufacturers start placing the correct california compliant nomenclature on the product they will adjust policy.
Sad times folks... |
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You FFL's might or might not know this but I just talked to Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore this morning and they said they got all their Prop 65 compliance issues worked out in November and resumed selling/shipping firearms to Kalifornistan.
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