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Centerfire Rifles - Manually Operated Lever action, bolt action or other non gas operated centerfire rifles. |
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Please, regale us more with the tales of using birdshot during trench warfare at the Rod and Gun club in peacetime Germany. What _is_ the best O/U for home defense? Or would you just go with a single barrel? Krieghoff, perhaps?
-- Michael Last edited by elSquid; 11-09-2018 at 8:37 PM.. |
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I hadn't ever thought about using a levergun as my primary defensive firearm until now. I'm moving onto a small tract of old-growth timber I bought a couple months back up in Northern Idaho. Neighbors say there's moose, grizzleys, and elk. Supposedly the grizzleys usually take off when they see you but a moose will see you as a territory threat and tend to go on the offensive. I have a plan.
I think my go-to defense gun for "around the ranch" is going to be my Winchester 16-inch Trapper 94 in .44mag. I'll be feeding it some rather stiff-loaded 300gr Nosler softpoints for good power and penetration on large dangerous game at 15 - 45 yards. I'm sure I'll find a lighter, easier to carry solution after I've been up there a while - but the Trapper should do for now. |
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Actually I am the only one posting with any real world experience.
Michael's posts are a complete waste of bandwidth as a simple Google search shows what I posted is true and accurate but I get that he is butthurt. Did any of the experts ever find out how to read a PITA yearbook yet maybe Michael figured it out?
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Awesome. He's "the only one posting with any real world experience".
This is all we need to know. You win. I'm off to the range today to shoot a couple lever rifles. Real world experience. Bye-bye. |
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You should be fine, my good man. A 300 grain .44 from a 16" rifle barrel has as much energy as a 1 oz. 12 ga. slug, but with far better penetration potential due to the advantage of the projectile design (unless one might use a Brenneke brand slug) especially when using a hardcast lead wide or long flat nose (WFN or LFN) bullet. I think the only lighter, easier to carry solution would be a big sturdy single action whirlenpopper, and the carbine is as quick to mount and acquire a sight picture as can be a handgun. The revolver's advantage would be ease in deployment in bad-breath distances and in overall carry. Many folks may overlook the fact that a 20"-barrelled pistol caliber lever carbine, let alone! a 16" is noticeably shorter and definitely lighter than any decent 18" 12 ga pump gun. As I noted much earlier in this thread, I have relied on a 16" .357 1892 as one of three firearms serving in a HD role.
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And again how is going to the range real world experience? Are you going there at 3AM home invasion time? Are you dragging it out from under your bed? Are you shooting at 5-7 yards? Tell us about follow up shots and how your vision liked them. Tell us about your hearing after firing a round indoors. I know people like to post but you really need to think first about what your saying. My guess is your going to the range between 8 and 5 your wearing hearing protection and glasses and shooting a minimum of 25 yards but most likely 50 or 100. Does any of that make sense to you? Is that the same as being woken up in the middle of the night and shooting inside your home? But kudos to you for owning a gun and shooting it as anything helps.
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Been thinking about getting a Henry .410 Lever shotgun. Because of the amount of glass I have in my house and how close the neighbors houses are around us, I have no desire for penetration that may travel through an intruder out a window and through the neighbors window. Have no desire to damage my neighbors or their homes.
Remember, we are responsible for knowing what else in in the direction we are firing. |
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The good news is that most concerns about over penetration in defensive shootings is vastly overblown. No one yet has been able to find me a story of a defensive shooting ending in the death of a neighbor unintentionally. The odds are so low that it simply should be last on the list of concerns. An adequate cartridge is the most important concern. |
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Ya I hate to say it, but if your house is such that you could inadvertently shoot a neighbor through your walls/windows in just about any direction you fire in, perhaps a firearm isn't the best choice fir home defense. If your bullets/pellets don't penetrate walls or glass, then they aren't going to stop a person either. I'd probably look at options for tasers and such instead, if it were me.
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My property is solid old-growth forest, so anything charging me still has to deal with lot of large trees - which should give me the time to respond. I also have a Rossi 92 and Marlin in .357 and I think those are really ideal especially when loaded with 180gr projos. I've carried for decades, but this is the first time I need to have protection against 4-legged critters. I've not seen any large animal on my new property just yet, but I've seen the piles of poop that they make and have NEVER seen anything that huge from an animal in CA. Walking around there packing a 9mm just feels a bit inadequate. |
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Well, I would feel the same, which is why I will carry heavy .44 Special (250 grain hardcast @ 1000 fps) in one of my New Model flat top Blackhawks when I get to roam my parcel. I don't own the land yet, though. I envy you yours! and I think a leever car-been across yer back is a good option. As for sawrin' logs with your motorized saw, have you considered chest carry? apart from the sawrdust and all... there are some pretty neat chest rigs out there I've seen handgun hunters use. And, all this is still on topic, as we're talking leever guns for home-stead defense, see.
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Wait, what? I thought you said......nevermind
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Well, after reading all of this, my head hurts.
I do believe I have found the perfect solution to the question. A .357 lever gun loaded with these..... 395087.jpg
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A fitting epilogue to a wild thread.
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My Lord, this thead is funny. You guys are killing me.
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With the model 94 trapper, I can slip on a rubber recoil pad to keep the stock dry and not have to deal with things that are usually wet, soaking up into my leather chest-rig when the gun needs to be set down to do other work. There is also a nice velocity gain in using the carbine over the revolver. |
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NHH, that makes sense to me! Thanks for your reply!
Again, I envy you and in a good way.
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That's why I use neither buckshot nor birdshot for home defense. I prefer long, rambling calguns forum threads. By the time that the intruder has finished reading the cops will have shown up, and there is only a minor chance of the thread accidentally harming an innocent.
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Hey Penn, shoot me an email when you have time.....please
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You think this thread went sideways try reading the one in the shotgun forum. Poster there go shot in the calf at 2 inches with a 20 gauge has 100 pellets still in his groin after being shot in the calf? Then spent three weeks in the hospital and says birdshot won't stop an intruder but his wound was from a 20 gauge.
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