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Old 12-10-2017, 12:31 PM
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Default police driving around in cal fire rigs?

i have a question reguarding something i witnessed this morning on the way to work. i saw a white ford explorer with the words cal fire on it "pull over" a sedan. the driver of the explorer imediately popped out and it was a uniformed police officer. he was in a normal uniform with a bullet proof vest that said police. just curious if i witnessed an under cover operation of some kind. ie pulling people over who dont yield for ems trucks.
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State cutbacks.



It's happening all over.

A friend saw a trash truck picking up a sick elderly person instead of an ambulance.



But he at least put him in the recycling section of the truck.









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Or, maybe, a CalFire LEO? They do exist you know, and have full LEO authority.
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Some info on them.

http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/fire_er/fpp_law

I imagine they don't often deal with traffic, but have the legal authority to do so.
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Cal Fire has full POST trained LEOs, statewide. Cal Fire is a very problematic department and on the low end, but they have full POST LEOs.

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Interesting, makes sense...
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Cal Fire has sworn arson investigators with full peace officer authority.
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The Sac Metro boys have Tactical Medics:

http://www.metrofire.ca.gov/index.ph...tions/337-tems
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Cal Fire has sworn arson investigators with full peace officer authority.
They are not ranked as "Arson Investigators", they are ranked as Captains and above and POST LEOs that do arson investigation. But they are not ranked as arson investigators.
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The Sac Metro boys have Tactical Medics:

http://www.metrofire.ca.gov/index.ph...tions/337-tems
Those are the tactical medics only. Sac Metro does have their own Fire Investigators that are POST trained LEOs.
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Those are the tactical medics only. Sac Metro does have their own Fire Investigators that are POST trained LEOs.
Yeah, I haven’t seen any of those guys, but I always wondered what happens when stuff is hitting the fan still, but somebody needs medical attention. My five year old wants to be a fireman, and I honestly worry more about bad guys more than burning buildings.
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http://www.metrofire.ca.gov/index.ph...tions/337-tems
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They are not ranked as "Arson Investigators", they are ranked as Captains and above and POST LEOs that do arson investigation. But they are not ranked as arson investigators.
Actually, CAL FIRE has two major law enforcement divisions: Deputy State Fire Marshals and Arson & Bomb Investigators. Both are full POST and are authorized under PC830.2. Granted, they are classified under the new, "lesser" exempt class in PC32000(b)(6).

http://calfire.ca.gov/about/about_careers_osfm
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Ohhhh brother.
I know, right... no red suspenders = doesn’t count.

Seriously though, I doubt CalFire guys are writing speeding tickets. It was probably what you [OP] suggested, not moving over for emergency vehicles. I often find myself shouting at the oblivious morons to get out of the way.
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Cal Fire has full POST trained LEOs, statewide. Cal Fire is a very problematic department and on the low end, but they have full POST LEOs.



If you call at least $100K on the low end, then you’re right. Not one of their Captain/Specialist makes less than that, unless they try to avoid OT.


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Actually, CAL FIRE has two major law enforcement divisions: Deputy State Fire Marshals and Arson & Bomb Investigators. Both are full POST and are authorized under PC830.2. Granted, they are classified under the new, "lesser" exempt class in PC32000(b)(6).

http://calfire.ca.gov/about/about_careers_osfm


Thanks for adding that. Everyone forgets about the OSFM folks. For the record, they post jobs regularly.


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Thanks for adding that. Everyone forgets about the OSFM folks. For the record, they post jobs regularly.


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It's interesting that many forget or aren't aware of the position. DSFM's can shutdown a business instantly for violations or for investigation. Kind of like ABC's authority over their licensees.
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If you call at least $100K on the low end, then you’re right. Not one of their Captain/Specialist makes less than that, unless they try to avoid OT.


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Is Rapid Cool the one that started the "don't work for CA" thread, that I could find when I looked for it yesterday?
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Is Rapid Cool the one that started the "don't work for CA" thread, that I could find when I looked for it yesterday?


I think so Spyder. I seem to remember that now.


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Is Rapid Cool the one that started the "don't work for CA" thread, that I could find when I looked for it yesterday?
Yes. He is. That thread got nuked moments after I posted. Sorry guys.

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Cal Fire is a very problematic department and on the low end, but they have full POST LEOs.

Rapid has a weird thing about state employees.... I fully expect to find a thread about Cal-Trans being a corrupt department next....
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It's interesting that many forget or aren't aware of the position. DSFM's can shutdown a business instantly for violations or for investigation. Kind of like ABC's authority over their licensees.


That’s exactly right Anbu_yoshi. Although, DSFM is separate classification from ABI, they each have responsibilities and authorities that overlap and complement one another.


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That’s exactly right Anbu_yoshi. Although, DSFM is separate classification from ABI, they each have responsibilities and authorities that overlap and complement one another.


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IIRC, one of the pathways for ABI was a minimum of X years as a DSFM; at least according to the job description.

On a side note, I recall reading of an incident (2001?) re: a milk truck TC with the Capitol building. OSFM, CHP, and Sergeant of Arms were allegedly (hearsay) in an altercation over which agency had jurisdiction. From definitions, I'm thinking OSFM since they're responsible for CA government buildings, but I'm not that in-tuned to CA bureaucracies.
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IIRC, one of the pathways for ABI was a minimum of X years as a DSFM; at least according to the job description.



On a side note, I recall reading of an incident (2001?) re: a milk truck TC with the Capitol building. OSFM, CHP, and Sergeant of Arms were allegedly (hearsay) in an altercation over which agency had jurisdiction. From definitions, I'm thinking OSFM since they're responsible for CA government buildings, but I'm not that in-tuned to CA bureaucracies.


It’s a concurrent jurisdiction. Squabbles like that aren’t uncommon between state agencies on state property. Everyone thinks their issues take precedence.


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If you call at least $100K on the low end, then you’re right. Not one of their Captain/Specialist makes less than that, unless they try to avoid OT.


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Yeah but we’re talking the “line swine”line officer. The pay is well under that.
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Yeah but we’re talking the “line swine”line officer. The pay is well under that.


In their agency you have to be a minimum of a captain to go to POST, with only a very rare exception. So, the pay is pretty accurate. Plus, their investigators have a ridiculous amount of OT available to them. Hell, they even get to pick up shifts in the fire station on OT.


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If you call at least $100K on the low end, then you’re right. Not one of their Captain/Specialist makes less than that, unless they try to avoid OT.
Im not talking about pay, I'm talking about reputation in the California Fire Service. Cal Fire has been plagued by corruption and scandals over the last 10-15 years.
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Im not talking about pay, I'm talking about reputation in the California Fire Service. Cal Fire has been plagued by corruption and scandals over the last 10-15 years.


I won’t disagree with you there. But, find a 6,000 person public safety agency that doesn’t have some public scandal?


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In their agency you have to be a minimum of a captain to go to POST, with only a very rare exception. So, the pay is pretty accurate. Plus, their investigators have a ridiculous amount of OT available to them. Hell, they even get to pick up shifts in the fire station on OT.
How many years does it take one to become a “captain”? My point is a regular ground-pounder isn’t going to become a cal fire LEO right away, let alone a “captain” with them or any other agency. Out of roughly 5,000-6,000 employees, less than 300 (<5-6 %) are LE within Cal fire.
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How many years does it take one to become a “captain”? My point is a regular ground-pounder isn’t going to become a cal fire LEO right away, let alone a “captain” with them or any other agency. Out of roughly 5,000-6,000 employees, less than 300 (<5-6 %) are LE within Cal fire.


Oh, I agree TPT. I was jus saying that their entry-level LEO makes good money. Just a product of the system to get there. Plus all the recliners and food.


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Oh, I agree TPT. I was jus saying that their entry-level LEO makes good money. Just a product of the system to get there. Plus all the recliners and food.
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Allot of people don't understand that Cal Fire has law enforcement. I was working with one of there investigators on a case. We went to the DAs office and explained what we had. The DA liked my portion of the case but was alittle hesitant on the arson. When we got up to leave the DA saw that the Cal Fire guys gun and said "wait, your law enforcement? Oh, that will make this way easier".
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i have a question reguarding something i witnessed this morning on the way to work. i saw a white ford explorer with the words cal fire on it "pull over" a sedan. the driver of the explorer imediately popped out and it was a uniformed police officer. he was in a normal uniform with a bullet proof vest that said police. just curious if i witnessed an under cover operation of some kind. ie pulling people over who dont yield for ems trucks.
Im not a leo, but when i was in high school a buddy of mine was being a douche and got pulled over by a fire suburban, who had a county sheriff deputy riding shotgun. After the verbal lashing, my buddy was relieved to come out with only a ticket
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Yeah, I haven’t seen any of those guys, but I always wondered what happens when stuff is hitting the fan still, but somebody needs medical attention. My five year old wants to be a fireman, and I honestly worry more about bad guys more than burning buildings.
During an incident such as active-shooter, LEOs can take EMTs and Parademics (both Firefighter EMT/Paramedics and regular ambulance EMS service) into the indirect threat (warm) zone with force protection. Of course, the indirect threat zone can quickly turn into a direct threat (hot) zone if the shooter comes back.

There are a number of classes both fire and LEO can take. I just did the Tactical Emergency Casualty Care ("tactical medic" class) and have just gotten picked up for an Active Threat Integrated Response class next week. That class is where LEO and fire learn to work together to pull victims out of an active threat situation. These fire and EMS personnel are not SWAT trained, but rather learn the basics of movement (moving in formation under the cover of force protection) and tactical medicine to support the LEO mission.
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True Story...

In Van Nuys, CA. about 3 years ago I saw 2 uniformed LAPD officers (guy & girl) come out of a black unmarked "Honda" (no Cali Exempt plates either) and talked to some guy with their Mag Lights drawn and hand on the holster. Looked kind of fishy if you ask me. That's why you should always be concerned by cars pulling you over. Undercover or not, be aware of your surroundings because they are all over.
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