EMP - How do you plan to generate power

[BakoJ]

Now that I've read this report, I'm not sure my generators will be shielded from an EMP. I'm also concerned about solar systems with electronic controllers.

Does anyone here prep with EMP in mind?

In an extraordinary and sobering report
meant to educate the nation on a growing
threat, a new military study warns that an
electromagnetic pulse weapon attack such
as those developed by North Korea, Russia,
and Iran could essentially challenge the
United States and displace millions.


“Based on the totality of available data,” said

the report from the Air Force’s Air University

and provided to Secrets, “an electromagnetic

spectrum attack may be a threat to the

United States, democracy, and the world

order.”

Findings include that:
- 99 nuclear reactors would likely melt

down without electricity to cool them.

- 4.1 million would be displaced from

areas around the nuclear plants as the

radioactive cloud spread.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...cy-world-order

[KevinB]

And it has never happened. Lots of other things to worry and prep for.

Store your "emp" sensitive stuff in a steel shipping container and forget about it. The Nuke they set off in space to create a big enough EMP event is likely to kill us all anyways.

[jeffrice6]

ADD kid on a hamster wheel

[3006]

You could keep your critical control components in a old microwave .
Not a lot of real information on the extent of the damage for instance dose a engine have to be on to fry the electronics.?

[Sailormilan2]

Originally Posted by 3006

You could keep your critical control components in a old microwave .
Not a lot of real information on the extent of the damage for instance dose a engine have to be on to fry the electronics.?

The typical info idea that is bandied about is that with a EMP, especially one from a nuclear blast, will fry an engine's electronics. However, the latest stuff that I am seeing/reading, is that with the newer cars, if the blast occurs while they are running, all that will happen is that the gauges will go crazy and the engine may not perform as intended. However, if the ignition is shut off, and then restarted, everything resets.
The claim was that while newer cars have more electronics, they also have more protections. Whether that is true or not, only experience may tell.

[wpage]

Like the Y2K panic. Time will tell.

[edgerly779]

Put a faraday cage around generator and inverter for solar.

[Socalman]

Originally Posted by Hairball

If 99 reactors went off-line and melted, do you really think having a generator to keep your fridge running is going to matter. Spend your money on the items you would need to survive an earthquake, fire, flood or any other natural manageable disaster and leave the TEOTWAWKI worries on the back-burner and focus on real survival in a survivable situation. I have said this before, we have advanced as a civilization to the point that if it ever tips the scale and goes that far south, the whole planet will die. I know, some will argue "not me" I am prepared. The fact is, no, you're not prepared as you can't do enough and yes you will all die with the rest of the world if it ever gets to the point of the world's nuclear grid melting down.

I have to agree.

[gorn5150]

Solar controllers are small and start at around $12. Buy a backup and shield it. Nuke plants will melt down without electricity to keep them cool. Don't nuke plants produce electricity? I would hope they could tap their own source.

[FeuerFrei]

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"

[Simi762]

I made a lead umbrella, should stop an EMP as well as asteroid fallout. When I'm the only flicker of light in a fallen society I'm sure to be safe!

[FeuerFrei]

After reading this some time ago https://www.futurescience.com/emp.html I decided to be indifferent on the subject.
An EMP effect has too many variables that cannot be reasonably dealt with and remains out of my control.
Not worrying about sh_it I cannot control is a good place for me to be.

[Milsurps]

Originally Posted by gorn5150

Don't nuke plants produce electricity? I would hope they could tap their own source.

It doesn't work like that...

[CessnaDriver]

[sealocan]

Electricity is overrated, It's just a fad I tell you.

You want to listen to a radio or use your phone to find out when help is coming to save you?
Just wait around and see when they come to help... then you'll know what time that is.

You want lights in the dark?
A way to create warmth?
Disinfect your water?


There's an app for that called fire and some sticks.


(* Not to be confused with a Fire Stick, fool me once eBay.)


The way I see it is worst case scenario would be EMP from the Sun so strong every electronic device on the planet is gone so you might as well start with fire (if that's the case anything you've stored in a faraday cage might be okay but the demand will be so high for it your life will be at risk if anyone knows you have it and once it breaks it's gone forever.)

the alternative is a lesser or human-caused EMP and even if it disables a lot of the planet and leads to chaos eventually help will arrive to try to stabilize / reset your country and its consumer$.

[dustoff31]

EMP is nothing to be completely unconcerned about, but it appears that officialdom doesn't take this report quite as seriously as the author does.

Disclaimer
Opinions, conclusions, and recommendations expressed or implied within are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of the Department of Defense, the United States Air Force, the Air Education and Training Command, the Air University, or any other US government agency.
Cleared for public release: distribution unlimited.

This LeMay Paper and others in the series are available electronically
at the AU Press website: https://www.airuniversity.af.edu
/AUPress.

[hermosabeach]

The book-“ one second after” paints an accurate picture of an EMP attack

A sun flare could do the same thing it did in the 1800’s to telegraph lines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After

[Guninator]

Originally Posted by KevinB

And it has never happened. Lots of other things to worry and prep for.

Well yes actually it has.

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by Guninator

Well yes actually it has.

Not sure that wiped out any electrical grid.

[ChuckD]

I have a handheld HAM radio, extra batteries, an Android tablet with lots of written resources saved on the SD card, a handful of batteries, a battery charger, a flashlight, and a portable solar charger in a tempest cage. I also have lots of candles. That's all the power I plan on needing.

[UFO hunter]

Originally Posted by KevinB

The Nuke they set off in space to create a big enough EMP event is likely to kill us all anyways.

Totally wrong.

One bomb going off in space can knock out electricity to a large portion of the United States. Let's say the southwest quarter of USA. And meanwhile, you sitting in California would not only *not die*, you probably wouldn't even notice anything unusual happened. Aside from the fact that all electricity seems to be gone and maybe you noticed something really bright in the sky, if it happened at night or you happened to be outdoors.

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by UFO hunter

Totally wrong.

One bomb going off in space can knock out electricity to a large portion of the United States. Let's say the southwest quarter of USA. And meanwhile, you sitting in California would not only *not die*, you probably wouldn't even notice anything unusual happened. Aside from the fact that all electricity seems to be gone and maybe you noticed something really bright in the sky, if it happened at night or you happened to be outdoors.

Keep telling yourself that and that Santa is real also. I prefer to be prepared for things that have happened not something that hasn't.

I have done a ton of reading on it and all the church has to say on the subject and I'm going with them on this issue.

[UFO hunter]

Originally Posted by KevinB

Keep telling yourself that and that Santa is real also. I prefer to be prepared for things that have happened not something that hasn't.

You seem to have this mistaken idea that I'm making this schit up or I'm parroting things said by some other internet kook. But that isn't the case. Everything I've said came from legit sources. Like the United States Air Force: https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/2...TASK_FORCE.PDF

I have done a ton of reading on it and all the church has to say on the subject and I'm going with them on this issue.

Your church? This is a discussion about nuclear weapons and EMP. Are you a member of the Church of Scientology? Because that's the only church I know of that has canonical holy writings about nuclear bombs.

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by UFO hunter

You seem to have this mistaken idea that I'm making this schit up or I'm parroting things said by some other internet kook. But that isn't the case. Everything I've said came from legit sources. Like the United States Air Force: https://media.defense.gov/2018/Nov/2...TASK_FORCE.PDF



Your church? This is a discussion about nuclear weapons and EMP. Are you a member of the Church of Scientology? Because that's the only church I know of that has canonical holy writings about nuclear bombs.

Yeah I read that report, they agree to disagree. I'm Mormon. The church has done their homework on this and are not concerned, we take our family's safety seriously . Like I said, its has never happened.

[3006]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

I have a handheld HAM radio, extra batteries, an Android tablet with lots of written resources saved on the SD card, a handful of batteries, a battery charger, a flashlight, and a portable solar charger in a tempest cage. I also have lots of candles. That's all the power I plan on needing.

You need to keep your radio in a microwave if you expect it to work unless it's some antique.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by 3006

You need to keep your radio in a microwave if you expect it to work unless it's some antique.

You're joking right? If I put my radio in my microwave it's only a matter of time before I burn my house down . . . I guess then I wouldn't have to worry about an EMP . . .

If there's an event that burns up the circuitry in my radio while inside a tempest cage I'll probably be dead, and there wont be any other radio's to talk to anyway.

[Toyman321]

Originally Posted by KevinB

And it has never happened. Lots of other things to worry and prep for.

Store your "emp" sensitive stuff in a steel shipping container and forget about it. The Nuke they set off in space to create a big enough EMP event is likely to kill us all anyways.

It definitely has happened, look up the Carrington Event of 1859. Telegraph lines even caught fire. The reason it didn't have that big of an effect was the lack of electronics at the time.

I can't find the solar setup that I have with my camping gear but it's something along the lines of this: https://amzn.to/2Lm3fPs

If you keep that and some 12v batteries in a metal shed or storage container your set.

I would avoid a generator at all cost, if we're actually concerned about an EMP there will be very little noise (most cars, electronics etc wont be working) so even the noise of a quiet generator will carry and make you a target.

[DaveInOroValley]

Some light reading for you:

https://graywolfsurvival.com/5454/su...-2-life-pulse/

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by Toyman321

It definitely has happened, look up the Carrington Event of 1859. Telegraph lines even caught fire. The reason it didn't have that big of an effect was the lack of electronics at the time.

I can't find the solar setup that I have with my camping gear but it's something along the lines of this: https://amzn.to/2Lm3fPs

If you keep that and some 12v batteries in a metal shed or storage container your set.

I would avoid a generator at all cost, if we're actually concerned about an EMP there will be very little noise (most cars, electronics etc wont be working) so even the noise of a quiet generator will carry and make you a target.

Quite sure that didn't cause a grid failure. We just had the largest solar flares storms in the past 100 years and the lights didn't even flicker.


I you are preparing for something that hasn't happened in 150 years and didn't even knock out their electrical generation capabilities then then have at it. There are a million ways to take better care of your family.

[sbo80]

Air University is not gov't funded research. That's why the disclaimers. They are basically grad school student papers. Air Force Weapons School papers have the same disclaimers because they are written by students, and yet they are still used to define tactics and methods used by fighter aircraft.

[Toyman321]

Originally Posted by KevinB

Quite sure that didn't cause a grid failure. We just had the largest solar flares storms in the past 100 years and the lights didn't even flicker.


I you are preparing for something that hasn't happened in 150 years and didn't even knock out their electrical generation capabilities then then have at it. There are a million ways to take better care of your family.

The massive grid that was in place in 1859? Ha... and if you're refering to the solar storm of 2012, that storm missed Earth by 9 days, a direct hit would have been much MUCH different.

Go back and look at the pulse that took out sections of the grid in 89 in Quebec.

Having a method of power generation is an irresponsible way to take care of ones family? Seems to me a couple solar panels and a battery is a pretty good way to take care of ones family. We were without power for a week after the Northridge quake, we were without power last month with the fires for several days as well.

If your barometer for what to prepare for is when it happened last, then we might as well prepare for nothing. Last I checked we haven't had a nation wide violent civil unrest in the same span of time yet here this section of Calguns is....

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by Toyman321

The massive grid that was in place in 1859? Ha... and if you're refering to the solar storm of 2012, that storm missed Earth by 9 days, a direct hit would have been much MUCH different.

Go back and look at the pulse that took out sections of the grid in 89 in Quebec.

Having a method of power generation is an irresponsible way to take care of ones family? Seems to me a couple solar panels and a battery is a pretty good way to take care of ones family. We were without power for a week after the Northridge quake, we were without power last month with the fires for several days as well.

If your barometer for what to prepare for is when it happened last, then we might as well prepare for nothing. Last I checked we haven't had a nation wide violent civil unrest in the same span of time yet here this section of Calguns is....

Well I don't know where you live but losing power for 9 hours isn't a natural disaster where I live. Nobody got hurt, cars didn't die, The power went off for 9 hours. I can't imagine the stress of having to miss a evening of TV those poor people had to endure.


Civil unrest and war happens everyday in the world. Starvation and disease have killed millions and there is no better killers than governments. Ask the Jewish people about WW II if you have any questions.

Wildfires have killed over 100 people in California this year alone. My own ranch was besieged with fire 5 years ago and not for being prepared I could have suffered the same fate. We came out unscathed. In fact we fed, bathed and sheltered firefighters for 3 weeks.

With your reasoning you might as well prepare for getting struck by lightning because it kills and injures more people than your EMP does.

Best of luck and God Bless. Your concern for me and my family is a blessing.

[Toyman321]

Originally Posted by KevinB

Well I don't know where you live but losing power for 9 hours isn't a natural disaster where I live. Nobody got hurt, cars didn't die, The power went off for 9 hours. I can't imagine the stress of having to miss a evening of TV those poor people had to endure.


Civil unrest and war happens everyday in the world. Starvation and disease have killed millions and there is no better killers than governments. Ask the Jewish people about WW II if you have any questions.

Wildfires have killed over 100 people in California this year alone. My own ranch was besieged with fire 5 years ago and not for being prepared I could have suffered the same fate. We came out unscathed. In fact we fed, bathed and sheltered firefighters for 3 weeks.

With your reasoning you might as well prepare for getting struck by lightning because it kills and injures more people than your EMP does.

Best of luck and God Bless. Your concern for me and my family is a blessing.

You seem to be missing my point, if one is going to be prepared, wether it be civil unrest, economic crash, wild fires, earthquakes or anything else power generation should be part of your preparations. Many of the same things to consider in any of those situations (noise, availability of fuel, long term production etc) also apply to an EMP, the only additional thing to consider is a faraday cage.... which could be as simple as a metal trash can or a metal shed.

There are also many individuals who rely on power to run necessary medical equipment... my family included. So yes, 9 hours without power would be a big deal.

[Epaphroditus]

Nuclear exchanges large scale enough to cause widespread EMP issues will result in conditions from enough that EMP issues will be far down the list of immediate concerns.

[KevinB]

Originally Posted by Toyman321

You seem to be missing my point, if one is going to be prepared, wether it be civil unrest, economic crash, wild fires, earthquakes or anything else power generation should be part of your preparations. Many of the same things to consider in any of those situations (noise, availability of fuel, long term production etc) also apply to an EMP, the only additional thing to consider is a faraday cage.... which could be as simple as a metal trash can or a metal shed.

There are also many individuals who rely on power to run necessary medical equipment... my family included. So yes, 9 hours without power would be a big deal.

So will your couple of solar panels and a battery power this medical equipment to take care of your family member ?.

My home in town has a 10,000 watt propane gen set with about 800 gallons of propane to run it. The Ranch is on the grid but we have a 12 KV solar-battery system with diesel back up with enough fuel to run it 4 hours a day for a year plus . We measure battery reserves by the ton. My well is grid tied with a 6000 watt propane gen set as backup. I can feed 30 people for a year or more without growing or raising a thing. We have the ability to protect our loved ones.

I worry way more about people bringing harm to my family than EMP ever will.

There are lots of contingencies to worry about, EMP is so far down the list I can't see it. Everybody south of Bakersfield makes me worry.

God Bless

[Toyman321]

Originally Posted by KevinB

So will your couple of solar panels and a battery power this medical equipment to take care of your family member ?.

My home in town has a 10,000 watt propane gen set with about 800 gallons of propane to run it. The Ranch is on the grid but we have a 12 KV solar-battery system with diesel back up with enough fuel to run it 4 hours a day for a year plus . We measure battery reserves by the ton. My well is grid tied with a 6000 watt propane gen set as backup. I can feed 30 people for a year or more without growing or raising a thing. We have the ability to protect our loved ones.

I worry way more about people bringing harm to my family than EMP ever will.

There are lots of contingencies to worry about, EMP is so far down the list I can't see it. Everybody south of Bakersfield makes me worry.

God Bless

The one that I posted above wont, that's similar to the one I have strapped to the top of our toy hauler. It has enough power to keep the lights on, the ARB fridge running, the microwave and the all important coffee maker.

At home is an entirely different story ... but like I said, everyones needs are different, for some people power is a luxury, for others it's a necessity.

[The War Wagon]

Crackin' the whip on my 4 teenagers!

[u04601]

I will take my chances and will add a generator and solar panels to my preperations. If they don't work, oh well. If they do work, good for me.

My understanding of EMP threat is that with the miniaturization of circuits, the operating currents are also smaller and those miniaturized circuits can be damaged by the EMF generated by an EMP. Devices designed to withstand 10's and 100's of amps may not be as susceptible. I'm thinking car alternator and basic generators, and probably solar panels may survive. If any of these are using miniaturized circuits to control the waveform generation then they may not survive.