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Slippery slope.
So, if I fly my Gadsden Flag, wear my Jefferson Cap, or wonder aloud why people of color in our state legislature have nothing but disdain for the Constitution....am I in danger of losing my firearms?

Remember...you can't say anything anymore with without some snowflake screaming racist, misogynist, white supremacist, ad nauseum.


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So...I'm guessing the N word used pejoratively would be grounds for disarming?
It's EXACTLY the reason they added, "shall not be infringed".
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I really think its time to follow the Texas model of a part time legislature .

W/O being hateful it just seems these people have too much time on their hands that they are desperate to find something to do.
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Lmao. Sooner or later if you fart in public you'll be prohibited.
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The bill is specifically for the crime of "interfering with exercise of civil rights", not just "all misdemeanor hate crimes" as the article would lead one to believe.

For example tearing apart someone's "Snowflakes For Bernie" sign at a rally would qualify, but taping the "N" word on a piece of paper to someone's door wouldn't.

This bill isn't about hate crimes at all, it's about people who get a little too rowdy at public protests. More specifically, it's about giving out as many 10yr prohibition to as many people as they can.

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Lmao. Sooner or later if you fart in public you'll be prohibited.
And for $15 you can buy a registered cork to stay compliant.
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The bill is specifically for the crime of "interfering with exercise of civil rights", not just "all misdemeanor hate crimes"
And given the political climate here...who makes that determination?

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it's about people who get a little too rowdy at public protests. More specifically, it's about giving out as many 10yr prohibition to as many people as they can.
Obviously...
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8 posts, and no one noted the bill is AB 785 ...

It claims
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Existing law generally prohibits a person who has been convicted of certain misdemeanors from possessing a firearm within 10 years of the conviction.

Under existing law, a violation of this prohibition is a crime, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison, by a fine not exceeding $1,000, or by both that imprisonment and fine.

Existing law, as a result of Proposition 63, an initiative measure approved by the voters at the November 8, 2016, statewide general election, codifies these provisions in separate, nonconflicting, identically numbered sections.

This bill would reorganize these provisions by incorporating these nonconflicting provisions into the section as amended by Proposition 63 and would repeal the other section as obsolete. The bill would also repeal an obsolete reference to a repealed misdemeanor.
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I really think its time to follow the Texas model of a part time legislature .

W/O being hateful it just seems these people have too much time on their hands that they are desperate to find something to do.
We tried to go to a part time legislature some years back...voters killed it.

There's no combating the level of stupidity here.
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Thanks Librarian.

In addition to that bill's summary, which for some reason says nothing about adding crimes to the list of 10-year prohibitions anymore (though it used to), the content of the bill itself does add these crimes to the 10yr prohibitive offenses:

422.6 (interfereing with exercise of civil rights)

148.5(f) (false report of lost or stolen firearm)
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8 posts, and no one noted the bill is AB 785 ...

It claims
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Between this, one gun per month possibilities getting thrown around, and this new open carry BS, i'm starting to lose hair early/ going grey.

Can we ever catch a break? Ignorance is bliss they say.. I need to stay off this sight for a while.. at least the CA 2nd amendment (what's left of it) sub.

Meanwhile in the free states...

There is no such thing as 'hate speech' in my eyes.

This **** is making me sick.

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Between this, one gun per month possibilities getting thrown around, and this new open carry BS, i'm starting to lose hair early/ going grey.

Can we ever catch a break? Ignorance is bliss they say.. I need to stay off this sight for a while.. at least the CA 2nd amendment (what's left of it) sub.

Meanwhile in the free states...

There is no such thing as 'hate speech' in my eyes.
The 1-in-30 bill got gutted, so we at least caught that break.

The open carry ban is extremely narrow - it only applies to people who are carrying unloaded longguns on public unincorporated land, in areas that are prohibited to shoot on, while not being a hunter with a hunting license. It's a sucky law, but it probably doesn't apply to very many people.

Overall this year has been pretty tame overall, but don't get used to it. Gunmageddon 2.0 could happen as soon as 2018.

See link in my signature for an overview of all the 2017 legislation.

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Why so i can start losing some more hair?

Pro Gun: N/A for the rest of time

Ty for providing the info for everyone.

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Cockedandglocked....you have a very troubling interpretation of 'tame'.
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The bill is specifically for the crime of "interfering with exercise of civil rights", not just "all misdemeanor hate crimes" as the article would lead one to believe.

For example tearing apart someone's "Snowflakes For Bernie" sign at a rally would qualify, but taping the "N" word on a piece of paper to someone's door wouldn't.

This bill isn't about hate crimes at all, it's about people who get a little too rowdy at public protests. More specifically, it's about giving out as many 10yr prohibition to as many people as they can.
So no conservative will be able to rally for fear of becoming a prohibited person???
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Cockedandglocked....you have a very troubling interpretation of 'tame'.
If the ban on unloaded open carry of long guns in unincorporated prohibited areas while not hunting poses a serious problem for you, then I suppose it wasn't a tame legislative session...

Yes it sucks to have any anti-gun laws passed at all, I agree... But to say it's been an especially rough year is being a little dramatic

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The bill is specifically for the crime of "interfering with exercise of civil rights", not just "all misdemeanor hate crimes" as the article would lead one to believe.

For example tearing apart someone's "Snowflakes For Bernie" sign at a rally would qualify, but taping the "N" word on a piece of paper to someone's door wouldn't.

This bill isn't about hate crimes at all, it's about people who get a little too rowdy at public protests. More specifically, it's about giving out as many 10yr prohibition to as many people as they can.
Interfering with exercise of civil rights... why isn't CA legislature charged with multiple offenses?
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I wonder the same thing
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I really think its time to follow the Texas model of a part time legislature .

W/O being hateful it just seems these people have too much time on their hands that they are desperate to find something to do.
I agree but the Democrats here will never allow it.

I think the Texas legislature meets once every two years unless called into session by the governor or emergency.

Didn't this state have a part time legislature and it was voted to be full time in the early 70's.
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The 1-in-30 bill got gutted, so we at least caught that break.

The open carry ban is extremely narrow - it only applies to people who are carrying unloaded longguns on public unincorporated land, in areas that are prohibited to shoot on, while not being a hunter with a hunting license. It's a sucky law, but it probably doesn't apply to very many people.

Overall this year has been pretty tame overall, but don't get used to it. Gunmageddon 2.0 could happen as soon as 2018.

See link in my signature for an overview of all the 2017 legislation.
we may catch a break next year. But rest assured it will be back and 100x worse when Newsom is governor. the death nail in the coffin of gun rights in this state will be struck.
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Just like felons they will find a way to get a gun......

No wonder other states hate us so much
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Totally whipped.

We've been raked over the coals, violated, our 2nd Amendment rights raped, forced to go to ridiculous lengths and page after page after page to try to figure out the minutae of the regulations , not to mention page after page after page of justification to caving to the state, while they sit in Sacramento and openly defy federal law.

But...it's not that bad.
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I really think its time to follow the Texas model of a part time legislature .

W/O being hateful it just seems these people have too much time on their hands that they are desperate to find something to do.


Exactly. Full time ASSembly members is ludicrous and causes nothing but rapid introduction of toxic, wasteful legislation at the pace of a firehouse. SBA this, SBA that...

Get a real job like other assembly people in other states.
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Totally whipped.

We've been raked over the coals, violated, our 2nd Amendment rights raped, forced to go to ridiculous lengths and page after page after page to try to figure out the minutae of the regulations , not to mention page after page after page of justification to caving to the state, while they sit in Sacramento and openly defy federal law.

But...it's not that bad.
I said "this year". You interpreted that to mean I said that it's never been a bad year here. I don't know why. Twice, I said "this year". Show me the law that dramatically affects your life that has been passed (or might pass) THIS YEAR, Mr. Dramatic.

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Why does the Legislative Counsel's Digest only talk about convictions, but 29805(a) criminalizes ownership or possession if you merely have an outstanding warrant?
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That's the reason Texas is going Blue.
you sure about that.

It was a blue state about 30 years ago.
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we may catch a break next year. But rest assured it will be back and 100x worse when Newsom is governor. the death nail in the coffin of gun rights in this state will be struck.
Just what I was going to say. You guys better enjoy what the socilalists in the PRK government allow you to keep at the moment, because it's not going to last.
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....am I in danger of losing my firearms?
Well, once you are branded a criminal, you get to have all the guns!
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Ask Leland Yee about that.
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Why does the Legislative Counsel's Digest only talk about convictions, but 29805(a) criminalizes ownership or possession if you merely have an outstanding warrant?
That can't be constitutional...a warrant is not a conviction. I can't see how the Supreme Court would possibly let stand a conviction based on a warrant where the person was not ultimately convicted of the crime. This seems like it would run afoul of 5th, 6th and 7th Amendment protections.
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I read through the law. Thanks for posting the link Librarian. While losing rights over a warrant may simply become the poison pill that causes this bill to veto, I'm not sure that the rest of this is bad.

Think of what Antifa is doing at rallies. If one of those idiots took a peaceful protestor's sign, beat them up, and broke their camera, it would be reasonable to believe it was a political hate driven activity. While I have not checked to see if that is a protected class, I would love to see the perp get a 10 year prohibition.

Maybe enforcement will be one sided, but maybe this is not a bad idea. Please correct me if I am missing something. (I'm not even done with one cup of coffee yet.)
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It's EXACTLY the reason they added, "shall not be infringed".

The strict interpretation of that would mean felons could not be prohibited from owning a gun. And FWIW, even Justice Scalia felt that there were limits on what that meant.
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I don't see anything here regarding Antifa or violence and intolerance by the Left. The authors intent seem plainly laid out...

“There are too many examples in our country’s recent history, which show what a firearm can do in the hands of people who practice hate,” said Assemblymember Jones-Sawyer, Sr., who chairs the Assembly Public Safety Committee and is the author of AB 785. “The recent incident in Charlottesville, where heavily armed Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists, spewing hatred and inciting violence under the guise of protecting free speech and the right to bear arms, is not what the founding fathers of this great nation were protecting when they drafted our constitution.” Reggie Jones Sawyer
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I said "this year". You interpreted that to mean I said that it's never been a bad year here. I don't know why. Twice, I said "this year". Show me the law that dramatically affects your life that has been passed (or might pass) THIS YEAR, Mr. Dramatic.
AB 424 passed. If Governor Brown doesn't veto it, my life will be affected.
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Guys, losing gun rights for a simple warrant was already passed back in July in AB103, I'm sorry to say.
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Interfering with exercise of civil rights... why isn't CA legislature charged with multiple offenses?
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