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Old 08-29-2017, 11:11 PM
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Default To What Extent is a Member of a Church Required to Obey His Pastor?

Question: "To what extent is a member of a church required to obey his pastor? How much authority does a pastor have in the lives of his congregants?"

Here's a YouTube video recording John MacArthur's answer to this question.


Here a link to the video in case you can't view the embedded video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X65vspiZLLA

I won't comment much for now, except to say that if more congregational leaders understood this, how much needless pain and injury would be avoided!
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My guess; "not at all" and "zero".
What do I win?
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Old 08-30-2017, 5:03 AM
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Amen. Amen. Amen.
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My guess; "not at all" and "zero".
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You win this:
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Regarding the 2nd Amendment:
"...to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason ("The Father of the Bill of Rights")

Regarding Life and Death:
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b
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Undershepherds are not absolute authority. Spiritual guidance, not overlords.

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Old 08-30-2017, 11:26 AM
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OP video : first class answer!
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Old 09-05-2017, 11:31 PM
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Question: "To what extent is a member of a church required to obey his pastor? How much authority does a pastor have in the lives of his congregants?"
NONE. The teachings of Christ have authority over you, you can learn then from the bible an you don't need a pastor to put spin on them.
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NONE. The teachings of Christ have authority over you, you can learn then from the bible an you don't need a pastor to put spin on them.


Every one of us who belong to Christ ought to be studying the Scriptures for ourselves... and NO pastor ought to putting any spin on the what they teach. If we were all like the Bereans (ref. Acts 17:11), no pastor would be able to put any spin on the Scriptures. Of course, Hebrews 5:12-14 comes to mind:

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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Regarding the 2nd Amendment:
"...to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason ("The Father of the Bill of Rights")

Regarding Life and Death:
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b
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What are your thoughts on Church Discipline?
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My guess; "not at all" and "zero".
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This.
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What are your thoughts on Church Discipline?
Church Discipline actually refers to Steps 3 and 4 of Matthew 18:15-20. All sin is either handled by 1 Peter 4:8 (let love cover) or Matthew 18:15-20. And, you can mix the two by choosing to stop the Matthew 18 process after steps 1 or 2 by applying 1 Peter 4:8.

Unfortunately, we've had to do all four steps of Matthew 18. Sometimes we've seen it be as intended - Church restoration. Sometimes, we find the person wasn't a believer.

But, the key that a lot of people miss is that there are two major intents of Matthew 18:15-20. Most people think of using the process to get the person to repent. But, the other critically important part is the maintaining the holiness of the church. You don't want to leave leaven in the body of Christ once it's been exposed.

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Those appear to be my thoughts exactly.
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Those appear to be my thoughts exactly.
Amen!
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Lol, it's common sense ain't it? Whose pastor is pushing their sheep around?! Revoke his staff! Haha.
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Good thread. Right on guys
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Lol, it's common sense ain't it? Whose pastor is pushing their sheep around?! Revoke his staff! Haha.
Unfortunately, quite a few "pastors" have done/do just that.
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Regarding Life and Death:
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b
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Having come from a culture/religion that used an extra Biblical source as much of the basis for their beliefs,one who has been proven wrong many times, I am very leery of any minister telling me that I have to listen to them, or do what they say.
Quite frankly, if I can't find it in black and white in the Bible, I will more than likely ignore what they say.
I use a slightly modified Jury instruction(if a witness has lied about one thing, one can assume they have lied about all of it) as my guide. I go by, "If they have lied about, or are wrong, about one thing, I can assume they have lied, or are wrong, about all of it."
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