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Oh and it looks like Kentucky may be Con Carry very soon
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I have a request. Can you change the colors of the unrestricted and shall issue? Some of us color challenged have a really difficult time seeing the difference.
Maybe a darker green for unrestricted and bright yellow for shall issue? Just a suggestion.

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Unrestricted = Green
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If you are having a hard time differentiating between the colors you might be color blind. That is not meant to be snarky or passive aggressive, just saying because the blue and green look very different to me. About 10% of men are color blind, so it's much more common than many people realize.
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CC Passed in the Kentucky House 60-37

https://www.wlky.com/article/permitl...house/26593303

An NRA article stating the Kentucky governor said he will sign the bill. The bill has been sent to his desk for signing since it already passed in the senate.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...ds-to-governor
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If you are having a hard time differentiating between the colors you might be color blind. That is not meant to be snarky or passive aggressive, just saying because the blue and green look very different to me. About 10% of men are color blind, so it's much more common than many people realize.
I am color blind hence asking for more of a contrast in the pallet
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I have a request. Can you change the colors of the unrestricted and shall issue? Some of us color challenged have a really difficult time seeing the difference.
Maybe a darker green for unrestricted and bright yellow for shall issue? Just a suggestion.

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Unrestricted = Green
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If you are having a hard time differentiating between the colors you might be color blind. That is not meant to be snarky or passive aggressive, just saying because the blue and green look very different to me. About 10% of men are color blind, so it's much more common than many people realize.
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Update on Kentucky Con Carry

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I will sign it, yes. I’ve been advocating for this since long before I was ever in government. I think this is nothing but an affirmation of the Second Amendment. It’s something that’s actually already the right of Americans. Some states have chosen to restrict that and/or remove that, and this is just an affirmation of the very Second Amendment that has been our right, all 27 words of it since it was written 200 and some years ago.
I pray that more states follow the same way. Puts more pressure on the rest.
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Definitely seems to be gaining momentum. Love it!
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(1) Guys, if you have suggestions/complaints re. the national Right to Carry map, don't post them here taking this thread Off Topic -- get in touch with RadicalGunNuttery. I'm not involved with that map and haven't corresponded with them in about a decade. IIRC, they handed it off to someone else, so I don't have current contact info either.



(2) FWIW I think once Con Carry is signed in KY, that will put pressure on Iowa to the northwest of it to push for it. Whether it will pass, I do not know. I think TX has enough internal pressure from their last failed attempt at passing it that they don't need any external pressure. IOW, I expect a battle in Texas!

(3) Please post if the KY governor says when he'll sign it.

ETA: Speaking of the Right to Carry map ... it has just been updated with Oklahoma!

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I like this "green" new deal.
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Looks like KY passed... I haven’t read the details.

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And more on the way.
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An honest map tracking Constitutional Carry will simply say "Constitutional Carry".

And have at least three colors:

1. One showing OC + CCW No Permit
2. One showing OC + CCW Shall Issue
3. One showing OTHER or NO CARRY

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The Gun-Nuttery map is essentially concealed carry. OCDO has separate maps for open carry.
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Angry AL: LE enforcement continutes to oppose ConCarry despite 15 ConCarry states

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By KIM CHANDLER - Associated Press - Sunday, March 3, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - Alabama lawmakers return for the 2019 legislative session on Tuesday. Gov. Kay Ivey will discuss her agenda in her State of the State address Tuesday evening. Here are some key issues to watch when lawmakers return.

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PERMITLESS CARRY

Legislation has again been introduced to allow people to carry a handgun without getting a concealed carry permit. The bill has created tricky territory for some Republicans in the Alabama Legislature as it pits two groups they traditionally like to support: gun rights groups and law enforcement.
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ConCarry has been derailed in Iowa....

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It isnt green/blue (that diff is obvious), it is green vs. yellow.

Im red/green colorblind.
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It isnt green/blue (that diff is obvious), it is green vs. yellow.

Im red/green colorblind.
I'll repeat myself: this thread isn't about RadicalGunNuttery's map. This thread isn't about you. Please stop taking this thread Off Topic, clogging it up with off topic posts. Re-read the thread title, and OP if necessary, to remember what this thread is about.

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Thumbs up Kentucky

Too bad he didn't say when. IIRC, he has until March 11th to sign the bill before it dies.

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More at: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/03/0...ed-carry-bill/
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Too bad he didn't say when. IIRC, he has until March 11th to sign the bill before it dies.

More at: https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/2019/03/0...ed-carry-bill/
My guess he quietly signs it late Friday night. By Monday morning news cycles it will be old news.
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Thumbs up Kentucky: Con Carry becomes law!

No word on when the law takes effect.

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Bevin signed Senate Bill 150 into law Monday. It allows Kentuckians 21 and older who can lawfully possess a firearm to be able to conceal it without a permit.

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The law goes into effect in July.
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The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today applauded Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin for signing Senate Bill 150 into law. SB 150 is NRA-backed legislation that fully recognizes the constitutional right of law-abiding gun owners to carry a concealed firearm.

“On behalf of the NRA's five million members, we would like to thank Governor Bevin for his leadership on this critical issue," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. "This law is a common sense measure that allows law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental right of self-protection in the manner that best suits their needs."

Kentucky already recognizes the right to carry a firearm openly without a permit. Current law, however, requires a state-issued permit to carry that same firearm under a coat or in a bag. This new law simply extends the current open carry rule to concealed carry. Those who obtain permits will still be able to take advantage of the reciprocity agreements that Kentucky has with other states.
More at: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...tutional-carry

3 states in 3 months. I wonder what next month holds.
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My guess he quietly signs it late Friday night. By Monday morning news cycles it will be old news.
Well, I was off a bit... but hey, it's done
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Looking at that map I think getting 26 states in the next 10 years is very realistic

Montana
Utah
Texas
Lousiana
Alabama
North Carolina
Georgia
Iowa
Indiana
Tennessee

States that could one day flip.

Nebraska
Wisconsin
Virginia (with GOP governor)
South Carolina
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Looking at that map I think getting 26 states in the next 10 years is very realistic

Montana
Utah
Texas
Lousiana
Alabama
North Carolina
Georgia
Iowa
Indiana
Tennessee

States that could one day flip.

Nebraska
Wisconsin
Virginia (with GOP governor)
South Carolina
I think Utah is going to have a problem in the next few years. The high tech growth in Utah County (aka Silicon Slopes) it is attracting a ton of skinny jean wearing techie types that are typically very well educated in the dark arts of academia. Having had lunch a couple weeks ago with my son in Lehi (where he works) the place was swarming with the same demographic that I work with here at a well known high tech firm in the Sacramento area. Utah will have a fight on it's hands if the trend continues.
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I think Utah is going to have a problem in the next few years. The high tech growth in Utah County (aka Silicon Slopes) it is attracting a ton of skinny jean wearing techie types that are typically very well educated in the dark arts of academia. Having had lunch a couple weeks ago with my son in Lehi (where he works) the place was swarming with the same demographic that I work with here at a well known high tech firm in the Sacramento area. Utah will have a fight on it's hands if the trend continues.
While I am sure that is happening, the state senate is currently 23R v. 6D and the state assembly is 59R v. 16D. I doubt hipsters will have much influence in the foreseeable future. The problem with CC not passing the past few years was due to the governor.
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My sincere thanks to Paladin for this thread and keeping it on topic! It's nice to see some serious winning at the state level and we are making progress.

The only issue I have with many of these Constitutional Carry laws are the loopholes that essentially require many to still obtain a permit/license! Don't get me wrong, these bills are all moving us in the RIGHT direction and are definitely positive progress!

However just a few examples, in many of these states ConCarry only applies to legal residents of that state who also possess a valid ID issued from said state, in Maine you need a permit if you are on a snow machine (go figure), in Arizona, you need a permit in any establishment that serves alcohol for consumption upon the premises, which could be a theater, bowling alley, sit down restaurant, fast food, etc.

I like the progress being made here, but I sure would like to see a lot of follow-up legislation making these states true ConCarry....
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No word on when the law takes effect.

ETA: More at:
https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Go...507004161.html

More at: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...tutional-carry

3 states in 3 months. I wonder what next month holds.


https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 137955002/

Gov. Matt Bevin signed into law Monday a bill that lets people carry a concealed gun without getting a permit or completing a background check and safety training first.

Senate Bill 150 was backed by the National Rifle Association but opposed by groups such as Louisville Metro Police and the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

State law had required people to get a permit before carrying a concealed firearm.

Kentucky's new concealed carry law: Here's what you should know

That process involved undergoing a background check, completing some gun safety training and paying a $60 fee.

SB 150 axes the permit requirement for anyone who's at least 21 years old and who meets other legal rules for gun ownership.

Proponents of SB 150, such as lead sponsor Sen. Brandon Smith, R-Hazard, noted that people in Kentucky already are allowed to openly carry a gun without a permit.

They also pointed to the current permit process and mandatory fees as barriers that prevent poor people — and especially poor minorities — from carrying a concealed firearm for self-defense.

But opponents, including some law enforcement groups and the Kentucky chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, have expressed concerns with SB 150 over the lack of required training.

Kentuckians still will have the option to get a concealed carry permit with the passage of SB 150. Many other states require the permits and honor those issued in Kentucky, which is one reason someone might still want to get one.

Chris W. Cox, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action executive director, thanked Bevin in a statement "for his leadership on this critical issue."

"This law is a common-sense measure that allows law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental right of self-protection in the manner that best suits their needs," Cox said.

Tim Schmidt, U.S. Concealed Carry Association president, said in a statement that making it easier "for law-abiding Americans to carry a concealed weapon upholds the values of the Second Amendment and makes our country a safer place."

"Responsibly-armed Americans are often the first line of defense in active shooter situations and government at all levels should be supporting them," Schmidt said.

Others reacted to Bevin's decision to sign SB 150 with harsher words.

On Twitter, Fred Guttenberg — whose daughter was one of 17 victims in last year's Parkland, Florida, school shooting — wrote: "Dear Twitter friends who are marketers, can someone please come up with a graphic for Kentucky that says 'Due to the unsafe conditions that may cost you your life, visitors are unwelcome in Kentucky.'"
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ConCarry has been derailed in Iowa....
Con Carry is DEAD in Iowa.

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PERMITLESS CARRY: Iowans would no longer need permits to carry firearms or to buy guns in person-to-person sales. It would still be possible to obtain permits, and a permit or background check would be necessary to buy a gun from a federally licensed dealer. Senate File 165.
More at: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ne/3027221002/

IMO, our best hope is for Texas to, at long last, pass Con Carry (HB 357). Two years ago the Dems and RINOs joined forces to kill Con Carry. Hopefully that won't happen again. We'll find out before June....

ETA: Looks like Iowa instead reintroduced their state con amendment adding a RKBA subject to strict scrutiny and it passed its first vote. IIRC, it has to be passed again after the next legislature convenes and then by the referendum by the voters. https://www.nhregister.com/news/arti...l-13686874.php

While that is all good and well, it does NOT explain why they did not vote for and pass Con Carry.....
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"My sincere thanks to Paladin"

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Over all outstanding news!

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This is from March 01, but it looks like nothing has changed in Texas since then.

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More at: https://thehayride.com/2019/03/red-r...utional-carry/

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More bad news, but this time "by omission." Guess what bill is NOT even mentioned in this NRA-ILA article?

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More at: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2019...or-dan-patrick

My guess is other than a "Hail Mary" win in AL, GA and/or SC, we'll have no more Con Carry wins this year....

Oh, well. 3 wins with 0 losses is nothing to cry about.

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The really sad part of this, is that in TX, even years are devoted exclusively to budgetary issues, so this means Con Carry is dead in TX until 2021 at minimum.... Will Republicans still have the governorship and majorities in both chambers then???

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Many conservative grassroots organizations — gun rights and otherwise — are finding that the legislature is failing to take significant action on legislation to protect the Second Amendment, the nonprofit organization, Gun Owners of America (GOA) argues.

We are being told that legislators who just came through difficult elections simply “should not have to take a vote” on “fringe” items such as Constitutional Carry.

In Texas, one such bill, HB 357, is “being stalled to death in the Texas House — and it’s even farther behind in the Senate.”

“Since the grassroots of their own party has identified Constitutional Carry as a legislative priority, we should have been able to count on Governor Abbott, Lt. Gov. Patrick, and Speaker Bonnen to listen and act,” Rachel Malone, Texas Director, Gun Owners of America, said in an email to Second Amendment supporters. Instead, gun-related priority bills threaten gun owners’ rights by increasing “mental health” restrictions and redefining mentally ill.

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Unfortunately, Speaker Dennis Bonnen has not acted to help Constitutional Carry get to the floor in a timely manner, Malone says.

In the Senate, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick has also failed so far to prioritize Constitutional Carry or ending gun-free zones, Malone adds.

And Governor Greg Abbott chose to promote “mental health” focused initiatives to address “school violence” instead of freedom-based solutions, ignoring Constitutional Carry, she says.

<snip>
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My guess is other than a "Hail Mary" win in AL, GA and/or SC, we'll have no more Con Carry wins this year....
Sounds like GA is unlikely to pass it this year: https://www.wbur.org/npr/706913331/g...tutional-carry
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Looks like Ohio might be in play....

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For the first time in more than 20 years of trying, gun-rights advocates in Ohio say they’re optimistic that the state will soon no longer require a license to carry a hidden handgun or other deadly weapons.

Nearly half of all Ohio House Republicans are co-sponsoring new legislation to abolish the state’s conceal-carry license and training requirements. The legislation, House Bill 174, would also expand the list of allowable concealed weapons to include rifles and shotguns, instead of just handguns.

In addition, the bill would repeal an Ohio law requiring motorists stopped by law enforcement to notify the officer if they are carrying a gun.

Similar legislation has been introduced during every Ohio legislative session for at least two decades, but all of those attempts went nowhere. The difference now is that Gov. Mike DeWine, unlike his recent predecessors, is expected to sign the bill if it passes the Republican-dominated Ohio General Assembly.

“I never expected it to pass during prior sessions,” said Jim Irvine, president of the pro-gun rights Buckeye Firearms Association. “But I think this session it is likely to.”

A DeWine spokesman declined to say whether the governor would sign HB 174 but noted that the Greene County Republican generally supports what he said were Second Amendment rights.

Currently, Ohioans wishing to carry a concealed handgun must obtain a $67 permit from their local county sheriff and complete a minimum of eight hours of safety training (at least two hours of which must be range or live-fire training). They also must be at least 21 years old and not disqualified from carrying a gun because of a past felony conviction.

However, an increasing number of other states are moving to abolish such permit requirements. Earlier this month, neighboring Kentucky became the 16th state to let people carry concealed guns without needing government approval.

“It’s not something that’s like this ‘holy cow’ controversial thing,” Irvine said of conceal-carry without a permit. “It’s like, well this is ‘common-sense, let’s knock this out of the way quick and easy’ type stuff.”

In Ohio, past attempts to loosen state conceal-carry rules have been opposed by law-enforcement groups such as the Ohio Police Chiefs Association and gun-control advocacy organizations like the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence.
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I'm doubting Kasich will sign it.
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An effort seems to be underway to move one of the 3 SC Constitutional Carry bills: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess123.../bills/139.htm

It's just a referral to a house subcommittee (3-27), but the fact it sat idle for over 2 months makes me hopeful.
Of course, the SC Senate has been the one to kill previous bills, so don't get your hopes up too much.
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I'm doubting Kasich will sign it.
From the quote I posted: "The difference now is that Gov. Mike DeWine, unlike his recent predecessors, is expected to sign the bill if it passes the Republican-dominated Ohio General Assembly."
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An effort seems to be underway to move one of the 3 SC Constitutional Carry bills: https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess123.../bills/139.htm

It's just a referral to a house subcommittee (3-27), but the fact it sat idle for over 2 months makes me hopeful.
Of course, the SC Senate has been the one to kill previous bills, so don't get your hopes up too much.
I figured the opposite when I saw that last night: I assume it is being sent to subcmte to die. If they wanted it to pass, they'd just have the cmte vote on it and then send it to the Senate floor for a vote.

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From the quote I posted: "The difference now is that Gov. Mike DeWine, unlike his recent predecessors, is expected to sign the bill if it passes the Republican-dominated Ohio General Assembly."
Oh sweet. Kept thinking Kasich was Still there
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I figured the opposite when I saw that last night: I assume it is being sent to subcmte to die. If they wanted it to pass, they'd just have the cmte vote on it and then send it to the Senate floor for a vote.

Time will tell....
It would inevitably die if they did nothing. I guess in SC it has to pass a subcommittee, then the committee, then full house or Senate.
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