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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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what if you accidentally leave LTC at home
I'm sure this has been asked before but I didn't find it.
So lets say hypothetically (this has not happened to me so far) you have your EDC on at home and you run to the store (Walmart, grocery store, Home Depot ect...) and you get there, complete your shopping and realize you left your wallet at home. Not only do you not have money to pay for your junk but your LTC is in your wallet. So on your way home you get pulled over for anything, tail light out whatever. So the cop asks you for lic/reg/insurance and you then have to say I am armed and my LTC is at home in my wallet...... What happens then? OCSD did supply a paper copy of my CCW when I picked up. I guess one could keep a copy of the CCW in every vehicle with the reg and insurance. I know in Nevada if you don't have a copy on you its only a $25 fine |
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Good idea, Fortunately IIRC carrying without your permit on you is not a crime in CA. But driving without your license is. Either way I would make sure my hands were where the officer could see them when I told them I have a Permit and go very slow following their directions from there. Also expect that traffic stop to last a bit longer then you would like while they verify everything and be thankful it they treat you gently.
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Tossing your weapon in the trunk or putting it in it's lockbox you have cabled to the seat when you exit the store is what you do.
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I have a safe cabled to a seat in all my vehicles and a strong box thru bolted through the floor in the motor home.
Useful advice AC, thanks Last edited by KINGSFAN IN OC; 11-21-2019 at 2:58 PM.. Reason: punctuation |
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Some ya'll gotta simmer down. **** man it was a question that is legitimate and your response was nothing but inflammatory and derogatory. No value at all but had to put your 2 cents in. This is what makes forums suck, gotta wade through a bunch of useless crap and FUDD to get to useful info Last edited by KINGSFAN IN OC; 11-21-2019 at 8:14 PM.. |
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Of course, even though not carrying the LTC is not a crime, it's tough to prove one is not carrying illegally without it.
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Or toss the gun in the trunk as soon as you figure out you screwed up.
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While many of us believe CC is a right given by God and confirmed in the Bill of Rights, and that CCing is a responsibility, the reality is this is California where CC is per the discretion of the Sheriff or IA, period. PLEASE don't do anything stupid like your hypothetical and bring discredit to those of us who respect the IA that issues our CC licenses.
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First strategy is to get yourself disarmed (that way, you don't have to tell the officer you're armed...easy-peasy). As many have noted, the trunk or a lock box can achieve that. Transporting an unloaded firearm in a locked, secure container is legal. See CA PEN 25610
Since, sometimes, CCW holders must disarm and leave their gun in the car (schoolyards; post office, etc.), the CA PEN 25140 requires that the gun must be locked in the trunk or in a container out of plain site. Because of this, everybody who doesn't have a vehicle trunk has a lock case in their car...(or not). Strategies: -If you forget your license, you unload the weapon, lock it up, and drive home. -If you don't have a lock case, then unload the weapon, separate the ammunition, and lock the gun and ammo in the trunk. -If you don't have a trunk or a lockbox (not the glove box or center console), unload the gun and place it out of sight as far from your driving position as possible. Put the ammo somewhere else, out of sight. Additional strategies: -Check your tail lights regularly. -Don't get stopped by cops.
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I don't recall hearing about that, but do remember in July, the Chief of Police of San Luis Obispo left her personal defense weapon in a stall, and she was sanctioned for it: Quote:
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OP, just unload and put in trunk or lockbox. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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I doubt it.
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I'm more likely to forget my phone, than my wallet!!!
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It happens. Now I’m more vigilant about it. |
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Dvrjon,
Yes that was it Sheriff or Cheif of Police all the same. The point was that we are all human and can make mistakes....Echidin was so quick to point out that maybe someone wouldn't be responsible enough if they forgot their LTC, this lady forgot her piece in the loo... I simply could not find a cal PC that was a criminal offense to not have the LTC in possession. I never leave my wallet, phone or keys at home Last edited by KINGSFAN IN OC; 11-21-2019 at 8:24 PM.. Reason: punctuation |
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Wait, but may be useless without ID should your ID be in you wallet as your LTC. Tough one.
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Doesn’t the paper copy OC gives you have you picture on it? Not sure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Nope, just weapons and personal info.
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If I forget my wallet at home, I simply get back in my vehicle and go get it. And yes, I have forgotten it on occasion.
I am not going to disarm and lock my weapon any place. I have a valid driver's license and a valid CCW. Easily verified via the computer in the patrol unit or the radio on the officer's hip. If a officer is out to jam me up, then having it on my person or not will have little to no effect. But I have to say, after driving for 48 years, in almost every state of the Union and several foreign countries, I have yet to meet one of these officers who are out to screw every one over. But I am always polite, non- challenging and open in my few encounters. Be calm and carry on. Last edited by Old Marine; 11-22-2019 at 4:04 AM.. Reason: Correction |
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This, plain and simple. |
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Unload the firearm. Throw the gun in your trunk. Done.
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Oh, well then that settles it, I guess |
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How about being responsible and not forgetting it? that is part of being a CCW holder. In eight years of carrying not once have I forgotten my permit. It really is very irresponsible of anyone to forget their permit. We (CCW holders!) are supposed to be more responsible than that!
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If you don’t have your CCW permit with while carrying, you are then carrying illegally. Lock it up and return home.
Not all PD have access to who has or has not have a CCW permit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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This is untrue. There is not a state-wide system that keeps track of all LTCs for each county or department. Within the issuing city or county, it will normally be visible, and perhaps to some neighboring cities or counties, but there is no system in place that all agencies can see that you have been issued an LTC by a given IA.
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Sure as hell... somebody in this forum will always come in on the tall horse and spew this almighty bull*****. |
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Also, every handgun authorized by an IA for carry is reported to OAG and entered into the Registry. If they run the gun, LEO can confirm its registered owner’s name and an annotation that it is identified as a CCW weapon. That gives them a start, and let’s hope you’re the registered owner....
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Yes, they do. Please see post above.[/QUOTE]
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