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Old 08-09-2017, 2:39 PM
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Default Do you Agree? God has given President Trump authority to take out Kim Jong-Un

http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/...e-kim-jong-un/

What do you think? Apparently, he bases his belief on Romans 13.

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I doubt God would greenlight Boy Kim but I am sure he wouldn't use an Azzhat like that to deliver the message.
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A better alternative from the same website...

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/t...talking-about/
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A better alternative from the same website...

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/t...talking-about/
Great article. The big unknown is Kim's response to such a blockade. I don't believe the US would strike first. We'd hopefully knock down their missiles if they struck first. Then, it would interesting to see what our next step would be.

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Silly. Romans 13 does not imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders.
Of course, God Himself can give this authority, as He gave to the Israelites against the Amalekites, but it's doubtful the American people would go for us killing all the women, children and animals as well.
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Silly. Romans 13 does not imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders.
Of course, God Himself can give this authority, as He gave to the Israelites against the Amalekites, but it's doubtful the American people would go for us killing all the women, children and animals as well.
Agreed. Romans 13 does not "imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders."

What authority is given to government in Romans 13?
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Agreed. ...

What authority is given to government in Romans 13?
To govern (regulate) the peoples within its area of jurisdiction, be that a city/county or country (i.e. enforce the local laws and statutes), mete out justice or punishment based on the enforcement of those laws. As Paul indicates, "Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good", so we have to assume that the governing authorities are ruling in accordance with God's laws for this to be a valid statement.

Now, a ruler is naturally a 'position of honor' and deserving of a certain level of respect for the office itself, even if they are not a 'good ruler'. However, he (Paul) also states "respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed." so a bad ruler may be owed respect for his ability to attain and keep the office, but not honor for having obtained the office through nefarious means (a common way to ascend to office in those days).
A ruler does not have the authority to usurp God's law or position. -but they do it anyway...
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This isn't going to fly very high.......but has any of you on this thread bothered to " ask God if He did or did not give Mr T such authority " ? I myself have not done so. Why not ? I am not currently President of the USA. Just responding to the question asked.

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America would be defending herself against L'il Kim. Self defense is a perfectly acceptable concept for the Christian. The Bible is God's Word. (2Timothy 3:26; Hebrews 4:12).

Paul needed defense and protection, so he appealed to Caesar (Acts 25:11) as the one who "bears the sword." (Romans 13:4).
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National leaders have the right to wage war and target their enemies, just as a government has the right to kill criminals.

It's not politically correct, but true.
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Again, to those who think it is so easy to take out Kim, do some research on the last time we fought in Korea. As someone who served with Korean Vets, let me tell you, the fight won't be like Desert Storm. It will be more like Vietnam on steroids. The Koreans will fight, and though we will win, thousands if not millions will go to meet their maker on both sides. Our military in Korea is not that large in combat troops, and if the NKA comes over the border the price will be very high. This isn't Syria, or Iraq, but far more bloody and violent. Unless we go nuclear, get ready for a slug fest, with an army of over a million. The best thing would be a coup.
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What do you think? Apparently, he bases his belief on Romans 13.

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...The best thing would be a coup.
I think that's the route Trump is taking. Arm South Korea with nukes.
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Lol. I think discussions of faith are better kept away from justifying nuking a foreign country.
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Lol. I think discussions of faith are better kept away from justifying nuking a foreign country.
Ultimately I think war is war, whether you’re fighting with swords, nukes or laser beams. In the end, if you’re fighting a “fair fight,” your tactics suck.
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I don't know that God works that way. I am wary of people that claim God tells them things. Jim Jones, Isis fighters, many things have been done in God's name. Not all good, not all bad.
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Lol. I think discussions of faith are better kept away from justifying nuking a foreign country.
What's wrong with nuking people because a religion justifies it?
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The guy is a kook. And I am happy Trump isn't kicking the can further down the road.

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Again, to those who think it is so easy to take out Kim, do some research on the last time we fought in Korea. As someone who served with Korean Vets, let me tell you, the fight won't be like Desert Storm. It will be more like Vietnam on steroids. The Koreans will fight, and though we will win, thousands if not millions will go to meet their maker on both sides. Our military in Korea is not that large in combat troops, and if the NKA comes over the border the price will be very high. This isn't Syria, or Iraq, but far more bloody and violent. Unless we go nuclear, get ready for a slug fest, with an army of over a million. The best thing would be a coup.
I couldn't disagree more. The North Koreans who fought American soldiers during the Korean War were a completely different breed. These were battle-hardened men who fought against decades of Japanese oppression and upon earning their independence wished to unify the Korean peninsula. The North Korean soldier of today is an outmatched, completely terrified, starving conscript. They have no battle experience like their grandfathers who fought Japanese or American soldiers, they are outmatched and not supported by Stalin or Mao and lag behind terribly by every metric. The modern North Korean soldier cares little about unifying the peninsula or communism. They are likely malnourished and expect to be thrown in a labor camp any day now. They are hostages. I believe it would be like Iraq. They would be outmatched and know it, and the border crossing indicate to me that surrendering to US troops would make their lives better and I believe they all know it. The only reason it doesn't happen more often is because they fear Kim Jong-Un so much. They would initially put up resistance sure, it would be smashed right through. And when they break that would be the easiest "hearts and mind" mission ever, we just don't put them in labor camps and withhold food and the big-bad Americans are suddenly the good guys.
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Again, to those who think it is so easy to take out Kim, do some research on the last time we fought in Korea. As someone who served with Korean Vets, let me tell you, the fight won't be like Desert Storm. It will be more like Vietnam on steroids. The Koreans will fight, and though we will win, thousands if not millions will go to meet their maker on both sides. Our military in Korea is not that large in combat troops, and if the NKA comes over the border the price will be very high. This isn't Syria, or Iraq, but far more bloody and violent. Unless we go nuclear, get ready for a slug fest, with an army of over a million. The best thing would be a coup.
Koreans where out matched during the Korea war....It was the Chinese who saved them....Vietnam was a Police action! Fight by politician's...I don't believe you can compare them to this war if it happens....Who knows what could happen, War is War....Hopefully good leaders and plans lead the day!
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My belief is God doesn’t give a crap one way or the other. Long game.
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I'm pretty sure God has his own way of taking out people.

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