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Old 03-02-2009, 11:18 AM
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So a non-fireable gun is defacto "safe", yes?

What safety-nazi can object to a non-firing gun?
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But is it "not-unsafe"?
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"The Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2008"

I like it
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"The guys who would become Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2006"
Fixed it for you.

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Old 03-02-2009, 10:25 PM
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hehehehe - BAM!
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Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?
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As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.
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Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?
**** NO man! IF we could, we would. When the time comes, we will

Till then, please keep in mind that I started on OLLs in 2003. They didn't happen till 2005. Good things take strategic planning, time, and a metric assload of money
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As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.
Ahhh! Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! We do NOT want them to think about that. If they do, they'll be after our bricks next.

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I'm happy to see that you're not using those silly imperial units of money.
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CalGuns foundation feels a little like are own little "Sons of Liberty" some 230 years later.
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Ahhh! Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! We do NOT want them to think about that. If they do, they'll be after our bricks next.

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**** NO man! IF we could, we would. When the time comes, we will
Ok. I'll just hope they're in the Bay Area. Or at least in NoCal.

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Good things take strategic planning, time, and a metric assload of money
The Olde' English Imperial Assload wasn't practical to standardize.

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Someone let me know when the first FFL starts doing these, I want to bring in an Automag from out of state.

Dirty Harry style.
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:43 PM
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Someone let me know when the first FFL starts doing these, I want to bring in an Automag from out of state.

Dirty Harry style.
Doesn't Dirty Harry use a model 29? Nice work on the NeRFs Gene, much appreciated.
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So far, I haven't spotted any typos in this one...

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Not a typo but a usage comment. You write:

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Based on the statutory rule of interpretation
expressio unius est exclusio alterius (“the expression
of one thing is the exclusion of another”), the only legally tenable interpretation of the term
“unsafe handgun” in PC §12125 – PC §12133 is that the frame or receiver of the weapon cannot
be an “unsafe handgun.” This is because none of those sections are referenced in PC §12001(c).


You employ this convention of stating code section ranges consistently throughout your petition.

Ranges are normally expressed, e.g., as "§§PC 12125-12133."

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You employ this convention of stating code section ranges consistently throughout your petition.

Ranges are normally expressed, e.g., as "§§PC 12125-12133."
Thanks for the tip!

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Automag is on the C&R list, if I am correct? I think the hard part is getting an out of state dealer to send it here as they don't want to deal with the other paperwork involved to prove that they are in fact a dealer.
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Really, they are C&R?

Can I get one with a stock?
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Really, they are C&R?

Can I get one with a stock?
I think the stock would be an NFA bust, but I am not sure if there is a work around with C&R handguns. I think some old Winchester 1892's that were made with trapper barrels shorter than 16" may have been exempted from the NFA rule regarding barrel length. I am not sure about the handguns although there are many around such as the Broomhandle Mauser and the old P-35 HP that were cut for shoulder stock/holsters.
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is the automag really C&R? and does that apply to all automags?
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like the automag II
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I don't see any automags listed, and AFAIK, none of them are 50+ years old.
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I don't see any automags listed, and AFAIK, none of them are 50+ years old.
there are other C&R exemtions than 50 years old...does the Automag fall into one of those other categories
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there are other C&R exemtions than 50 years old...does the Automag fall into one of those other categories
That's what he meant by "listed".

There are only two ways to be a C&R:

1.) Firearm is more than 50 years old
2.) The BATFE has determined the firearm to be a C&R and add's it to the list of C&R's.

If the Automag is neither, then it is not a C&R.
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Automag is on the C&R list, if I am correct? I think the hard part is getting an out of state dealer to send it here as they don't want to deal with the other paperwork involved to prove that they are in fact a dealer.
where can I find a copy of the C&R list, according to this the automag may be on it
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm
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Auto-Mag pistols, calibers .44 AMP and .357 AMP, mfd. and/or assembled by Auto-Mag Corporation, TDE, OMC,

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doh, glanced right past that. And I even did a page search to double-check. but a search for "automag" does not find "auto-mag"
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OAL has 60 days to accept or reject the petition. Their 60 days is up approximately April 28, 2009 so around then is when you should expect an update.

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OAL has 60 days to accept or reject the petition. Their 60 days is up approximately April 28, 2009 so around then is when you should expect an update.

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And the verdict is?
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=176408
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This is old we've moved on to this:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=179227

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