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Oops, missed that. Thanks! |
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ETA thats not my build pics , but have used the same setup with success found one of the threads .... http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/...12459;hl=rusty
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The more I read this thread, the more questions I get. Where do the castings come into play? I thought this frame was carbon steel?
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I am in for 1 frame. PM me with where to send the shells and beads for payment.
-Mb
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The project should be easier then an ar15 80%. honestly this looks like the easiest 80% I've ever seen. Two rails that are idiot proof with the jig. A ball mill takes care of the barrel seat. And still two holes. hand fitting the slide is the hardest part which is still easy just time consuming. Although everyone wants pictures, myself included..we all know it doesn't matter.for the price and simplicity of this project you just can't say no
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Please add me for 2 frames and 1 jig. Just let me know about payment procedures.
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Folks planning on the Dremel router table method should be aware that while it can certainly work, this is a truly WECSOG way to go and quite imprecise. Not trying to talk anybody out of that plan so much as offering a reality check.
Just be aware that hand-feeding steel against a stack of ever-diminishing Dremel cutting wheels on a semi-rigid setup is not a recipe for precision.
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I agree with goober. Also keep in mind those who are considering using the dremel method that these carbon steel frames will not cut as soft,smooth,or fast as aluminum. Ar lowers are one thing but these are not the same ease to cut. It's still very easy and simple and very doable with at least a drillpress and vise. Just take extremely slow and light cuts for the rails and the barrel seat with more caution. With a mill I'd say this is a 30 min project without fitting the slide.
Looking at the 3d rendering for the jig,the depth for the rails are set so as long as you can move the jig straight on an even table it's idiot proof and you would hit the jig before going to deep. The barrel seat is the same concept however milling on a still press does create some wobble that could wreck the lower if you apply too much pressure as it would go out of spec. And the two holes are common sense to use a drill press. Brownells sells a lapping kit I think to fit the slide on a frame with lapping compound and alot of time. Since it's one of those tools we only use once in a blue moon I'm sure we can all share them from area to area |
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Wow, steel.
I was thinking aluminum when you said router because I've had the dubious pleasure of cutting a lot of aluminum with a router (and a table saw too). I thought you meant cutting the barrel seat with a ball end router bit. Any way, steel is good. I don't have to worry about it wearing out quickly or cracking. |
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Just wanted to poke my head in and say Hi, I am taking over the spreadsheet from Glbtrotter. We will keep posting as we have been under his name and you are of course welcomed to PM him. You are also welcomed to PM me and I'll do what I can to help answer questions and get things moving. We didn't realise how big this would get so fast so I am stepping in to help.
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I don't think anyone was saying a dremel wont work. It's just not the easiest method. If you really wanted to you could sit there and hand file the whole thing and use a hand held drill. I'm not sure if you were taking about my post couch, but I was just pointing out to those who haven't done as much machining type work as some of us that the material for this project is just not as easy to work with as an aluminum ar lower. Alot of people have gone out of spec on the firing control pocket on the ar build. Myself included before I bought a mill and worked off a drill press and the builds are not as forgiving if you run out of spec on the rails and barrel seat. I'm not trying to scare anyone away I just wanted to point out to the new builders that have not worked with anything except aluminum that cutting carbon steel is just not as easy as aluminum. Anyone in the bay area is more then welcomed to come use my mill at no charge. Just bring your own cutting fluid and clean up after yourself
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My post was in response to ott1. Posting from my phone so no quote option.
Simply pointing out that he said you NEED a key way cutter, which is not the case. I'll be using my mill for this project. May open up my doors for others in the area as well. |
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Keyway cutter is the correct and proper way. You can also do it with a file but it's halfass maybe a three-quarters-***.
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Blasphemer.
Have you ever done one yourself??
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Not with a hand file (like ott1 recommended) that's for sure.
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It's clear that you didn't read what savs2k wrote either. Quote:
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Fair enough. I'll would like to re-quote You can also do it with a file but it's halfass maybe a three-quarters-***. Ouch. Yes I did. In fairness. Answer:
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I guess the talibans been building AKs all wrong for all these years since they haven't been using a press for the receivers and heat treating in a treatment oven. You use what you have, but it doesn't mean it's always the right way. Last edited by ott1; 05-18-2012 at 8:20 PM.. |
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Can you please answer to my direct question Sir.
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No I haven't but it doesn't mean it can't be done. If you want me to do it, I'll do it with a file. It'll take a long time, but I'll get it done. It may not pretty, but it'll work.
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Thank you for your honesty Sir...!!!!!
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now i wont go into useing a dremel for the seat and feed ramp as that didnt go so well for me .... but thats part of learning and the frames where only 30 bucks a pop at the time ....lol lets get back on track guys the proper tool is a keyway cutter but that does not remove all the metal , its only to hog out the majority then use a slide file and some lapping compound ..... heck if your teeth are sharp and strong enough chew them rails in ... point being not all of us have access to the proper tool, but dont say it cant be done or is going to be "half arsed" thats just your opinion as you have no idea what skill set any builder has to remove some metal .... So hows them proto types comming ....
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I would like to apologize for this sudden sidetrack event. Please carry on. PS. I have done it before in so many different ways Once again my most sincere apologies for the inconvenient. Respectfully.
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To answer some questions I didn't see answered as I was confirming who said they were in ...
Yes, you can build it into a 9mm or a .45. No, if you are doing a build party, not everyone needs a jig, just have a friend who has one. Yes, there will be at at least a build party here in So Cal if not a few of them, I believe Glbtrotter was getting something set up to help facilitate all the new paperweights being loved and cared for. We'll post as we know. Since I am on the hook for 5 AND I am a noob, trust me there MUST be a build party or else I have 5 very costly and useless paperweights. If some one(s) are getting a NorCal party going, let one of us know and we will post it as well. I would hate to have people hanging in the wind on their own. I will get some pricing posted on some parts kits and everything else we need so it can be purchased in bulk (aka cheaper) as well.
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So, can this be done on a cheapo type router table from harbor freight? I figure if you can use teeth I would assume the answer is yes but want to make sure. lol
Aaaand.... Seeing that these can go 9mm or .45. Can these also be made to 10mm? (Dumb question I know but just wondering.) |
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9mm; 10mm and/or .45.
PM me for info and perhaps pics....
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