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Old 04-25-2019, 1:11 PM
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If I have a CA CCW in Arizona, can I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol provided there is no sign and I do not consume alcohol?

It looks like that is ok for AZ permit holders but I am unsure if that applies to CA CCW holders (minutiae, I know but I would like to know)
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Isnt AZ constitutional carry?

Away from a school zone, i think you can operate under AZ rules.
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Isnt AZ constitutional carry?

Away from a school zone, i think you can operate under AZ rules.
Restaurant’s serving alcohol was not allowed without a permit as I understand it.

I found the info I needed buried on a page I already visited but missed the first time, Out of state permit is good to go.
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Still depends on the conditions of your agency. Not juts Im the AZ conditions.


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If I have a CA CCW in Arizona, can I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol provided there is no sign and I do not consume alcohol?

It looks like that is ok for AZ permit holders but I am unsure if that applies to CA CCW holders (minutiae, I know but I would like to know)
Since you have the CA CCW, have you asked your instructor if he/she has credentials for AZ? You could just get your AZ permit by mail. You would then have a permit valid for NV if you didn't already.
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Since you have the CA CCW, have you asked your instructor if he/she has credentials for AZ? You could just get your AZ permit by mail. You would then have a permit valid for NV if you didn't already.
I have everything necessary (forms, training, etc) for an non resident CCW, I just won’t get it in time for my AZ trip
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I have everything necessary (forms, training, etc) for an non resident CCW, I just wont get it in time for my AZ trip
As I understand it, yes you are good to go as AZ honors all state permits. If you're in a jail cell in Payson you can tell the jailer the HVAC guy from CalGuns said it was ok...

So yeah I think you legal to do so, but I'm not going to bail you out.
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Since you have the CA CCW, have you asked your instructor if he/she has credentials for AZ? You could just get your AZ permit by mail. You would then have a permit valid for NV if you didn't already.
If you have a CA CCW it doesn't matter what 'credentials' the instructor has you can use your CA CCW for obtaining a AZ CCW.
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As I understand it, yes you are good to go as AZ honors all state permits. If you're in a jail cell in Payson you can tell the jailer the HVAC guy from CalGuns said it was ok...
Im going to print your post out and put it with my CCW just in case
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If I have a CA CCW in Arizona, can I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol provided there is no sign and I do not consume alcohol?

It looks like that is ok for AZ permit holders but I am unsure if that applies to CA CCW holders (minutiae, I know but I would like to know)
You should be good-to-go.

The AZ laws citing permit holders are exempt [ARS 4-244], cites the AZ laws that also lets AZ honor other States permits [ARS 13-3112].


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Isnt AZ constitutional carry?

Away from a school zone, i think you can operate under AZ rules.
Under AZ laws...

Establishment that sells alcohol for consumption (bar/resturant) with no posted signs = only legal to carry there when you have a valid carry permit.

Establishment that sells alcohol for consumpton with a posted no firearms sign = not legal to carry.

If you do not have a valid carry permit and are carrying under constitutional carry, then it's never legal for you to carry in an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption.

Regardless, if you can legally carry there or not, it's never legal to carry and consume alcohol in AZ.
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Arizona Revised Statue 4-244
It is unlawful:
30. For a licensee or employee to knowingly permit a person in possession of a firearm other than a peace officer while on duty or off duty or a member of a sheriff's volunteer posse while on duty who has received firearms training that is approved by the Arizona peace officer standards and training board, a retired peace officer as defined in section 38-1113 or an honorably retired law enforcement officer who has been issued a certificate of firearms proficiency pursuant to section 13-3112, subsection T, the licensee or an employee of the licensee acting with the permission of the licensee to remain on the licensed premises or to serve, sell or furnish spirituous liquor to a person in possession of a firearm while on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer. It shall be a defense to action under this paragraph if the licensee or employee requested assistance of a peace officer to remove such person. This paragraph shall not apply to:
(c) A person with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112 who carries a concealed handgun on the licensed premises of any on-sale retailer that has not posted a notice pursuant to section 4-229.

Arizona Revised Statue 13-3112
Q. This state and any political subdivision of this state shall recognize a concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state if both:
1. The permit or license is recognized as valid in the issuing state.
2. The permit or license holder is all of the following:
(a) Legally present in this state.
(b) Not legally prohibited from possessing a firearm in this state.
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I have everything necessary (forms, training, etc) for an non resident CCW, I just wont get it in time for my AZ trip
This was my time line for getting an AZ CCW permit.

Mailed my AZ CCW application on 12-31-2018.
Recieved my AZ CCW permit on 01-09-2019.

AZ approval letter indicates it was approved on 01-05-2019 and mailed on 01-07-2019.
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Quiet, thank you very much for the exact citation, that is the kind of stuff that lets me sleep better.
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Also note, that a licensed person carrying does not have to comply with a no firearms sign unless it specifically states no CCW in accordance with AZ 4-229. A gun in a crossed out red circle can be ignored.

4-229. Licenses; handguns; posting of notice

A. A person may carry a concealed handgun on the premises of a licensee who is an on-sale retailer unless the licensee posts a sign that clearly prohibits the possession of weapons on the licensed premises. The sign shall conform to the following requirements:

1. Be posted in a conspicuous location accessible to the general public and immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises.

2. Contain a pictogram that shows a firearm within a red circle and a diagonal red line across the firearm.

3. Contain the words, "no firearms allowed pursuant to A.R.S. section 4-229".

B. A person shall not carry a firearm on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer if the licensee has posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section.

C. It is an affirmative defense to a violation of subsection B of this section if:

1. The person was not informed of the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section before the violation.

2. Any one or more of the following apply:

(a) At the time of the violation the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section had fallen down.

(b) At the time of the violation the person was not a resident of this state.

(c) The licensee had posted the notice prescribed in subsection A of this section not more than thirty days before the violation.

D. The department of liquor licenses and control shall prepare the signs required by this section and make them available at no cost to licensees.

E. The signs required by this section shall be composed of block, capital letters printed in black on white laminated paper at a minimum weight of one hundred ten pound index. The lettering and pictogram shall consume a space at least six inches by nine inches. The letters constituting the words "no firearms allowed" shall be at least three-fourths of a vertical inch and all other letters shall be at least one-half of a vertical inch. Nothing shall prohibit a licensee from posting additional signs at one or more locations on the premises.
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Im going to print your post out and put it with my CCW just in case
I encourage it.

And I am often reminded the last time I was at Leff-T's in Dewey, there were about three people sitting on barstools with open sidearms and a deputy sheriff a few feet away in the booth eating a burger. I wouldn't try that in PHX metro, but apparently it's just not something that's rigorously enforced in Dewey. And I'm pretty sure they weren't drinking a sarsaparilla.
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Regardless, if you can legally carry there or not, it's never legal to carry and consume alcohol in AZ.
Your citations are normally impeccable; where is it for this statement?
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Regardless, if you can legally carry there or not, it's never legal to carry and consume alcohol in AZ.
Your citations are normally impeccable; where is it for this statement?
To be more exact, I should edit my statement to...

"Regardless, if you can legally carry there or not, it's never legal to carry and consume alcohol in an establishment that is licensed by AZ DLLC. [ARS 4-244]


Arizona Revised Statute 4-244
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31. For any person in possession of a firearm while on the licensed premises of an on-sale retailer to consume spirituous liquor. This paragraph does not prohibit the consumption of small amounts of spirituous liquor by an undercover peace officer on assignment to investigate the licensed establishment.
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Also note, that a licensed person carrying does not have to comply with a no firearms sign unless it specifically states no CCW in accordance with AZ 4-229. A gun in a crossed out red circle can be ignored.
The signs I saw were standardized in establishments with alcohol. There were a scattering of general "no firearms" signs in various places that didn't seem to follow any rhyme or reason and that if I had reason to visit those places I would have felt comfortable ignoring.

There was a standardized sticker on an establishment that served no liquor I was kind of curious about if I could ignore that one or not but it wasn't really a deal. I secured my firearms in my lockbox in only two places, Grand Canyon around the visitor center, those all were federal facilities and so I just wasn't going to mess with it, they also had posted signs at the entrance to the buildings. And there was a place serving liquor that had a sign properly posted. Outside of that it was generally not a deal.


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I encourage it.

And I am often reminded the last time I was at Leff-T's in Dewey, there were about three people sitting on barstools with open sidearms and a deputy sheriff a few feet away in the booth eating a burger.
I was in a bar in Prescott that there were 3 open carry people sitting in the bar that appeared to be having a beer. One of my servers in another establishment had a Vaquero in a holster but it was unloaded.

I enjoyed my time in AZ immensely, I am sure that had as much to do with spending no time in the PHX metro area at all as the gun laws. The smaller cities and town in the North and South of the state were great places to visit.
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For me this is simple, when in doubt- don't.



But I check laws before stepping into another state, so I am rarely in doubt.
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Ya'll are in good luck, save ur money, the law has changed. No matter what state ur from, while visiting AZ for whatever reason, you no longer need a permit to carry. As long as you are 21 and have the right to own a handgun, you can carry open or concealed. You still cannot purchase a firearm here, so save ur cash and your time. Now, getting to the question about firearms in restaurants/bars. If you see the no firearm sign, its best to obey it. Unlike CA where you have the right to carry in places that post the no gun rule, but all you have to do is leave the premises, otherwise its trespassing. If you carry in to any establishment in AZ that posts the sign, and most likely will have the ordinance along with it, you better stay out. You can have ur firearm confiscated and go to jail. You wouldn't guess that, as AZ is usually thought of as a state that is more liberal to the people in a lot of ways. Hope this helps.
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Ya'll are in good luck, save ur money, the law has changed. No matter what state ur from, while visiting AZ for whatever reason, you no longer need a permit to carry. As long as you are 21 and have the right to own a handgun, you can carry open or concealed. You still cannot purchase a firearm here, so save ur cash and your time. Now, getting to the question about firearms in restaurants/bars. If you see the no firearm sign, its best to obey it. Unlike CA where you have the right to carry in places that post the no gun rule, but all you have to do is leave the premises, otherwise its trespassing. If you carry in to any establishment in AZ that posts the sign, and most likely will have the ordinance along with it, you better stay out. You can have ur firearm confiscated and go to jail. You wouldn't guess that, as AZ is usually thought of as a state that is more liberal to the people in a lot of ways. Hope this helps.

If you don't know the law, it is probably best not to answer. Many people have quoted the laws above. The original poster is 100% aware of Arizona's constitutional carry provisions. He was asking because without a permit in Arizona, you may not carry in an establishment that serves alcohol.
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Yes u most certainly can carry, I am an Arizona resident along with Cal. You are no longer required to even have a ccw in Arizona if you are visiting from another state. All you must be is 21 and legally allowed to possess a firearm, and you may carry openly or concealed. Pick up the phone and call DPS in Phoenix.
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Yes u most certainly can carry, I am an Arizona resident along with Cal. You are no longer required to even have a ccw in Arizona if you are visiting from another state. All you must be is 21 and legally allowed to possess a firearm, and you may carry openly or concealed. Pick up the phone and call DPS in Phoenix.
Nobody is saying you cannot in most circumstances. Without a permit, you need to worry about the gun free schools zones (federal law) and under Arizona law, you may not carry in any establishment that sells alcohol without a permit. Again, reference the laws quoted above.
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AZ honors your permit https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws...n-laws/#ca-map

But, now you have 2 sets of rules to follow AZ and any rules CA and your issuing agency have.
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