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I also like purchasing used guns and optics and have done well. By going 308 you can shoot the same ammo through both guns for fun. My first urge is that if you have a friend who hunts who you can go with, borrow one of his/her rifles for the hunt. I've loaned shotguns to friends when they hunted with me b/c they had no gun or their gun was crappy. Now if you decide to take the plunge I'm sure of our the more experienced guys will glady take you hunting aka
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If you want to go semi auto there is the Browning BAR and Benelli (it went over like a lead balloon) among others. If you really want to go mall ninja get an Upper for an AR.
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Or you could do the AR-10 thang. They are a little heavy though. |
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AR10's are nice but kind of big, bulky and heavy. Not to mention expensive for a newbie who wants to dip a foot in to the pool. You mentioned an upper for an AR, what caliber uppers are viable if any? I'm guessing my M&P 15-22 would be limited to extreme close range, like from the inside...
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If chicoredneck chimes in, he would be the expert on some of the more "wildcat" rounds for the AR that could be effective on hogs. He knows his stuff. The problem i have with AR hunting is that you have to deal with all the "stuff that sticks down" (pistol grip, mag ect.) All that stuff gets in the way if you are trying to take a rest on a log or rock. Successful hunters for the most part like KISS (keep it simple...) Which means no bells and whistles. Bolt guns, and big money on glass is what works. Thats it! Many here will disagree and thats fine, It is what has worked for a couple centuries now. The BAR is pretty cool but if i went on a big money hunt, i don't need the semi auto to ruin my one chance at a once in a life time trophy. I understand bolt guns are not your thing. I'm just trying to explain the methodology of what has worked best for most hunters historically and help you understand where many of us come from when posting. |
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My first rifle was a 30-30 lever gun. 75yds was basically its max range for me with the iron sights. I can remember 3 different times where myself or somone else shot a hog that the bullet didn't penetrate the shoulder on medium to large hogs that I could confirm this. This was back in the leaded bullet days. I have yet to see what copper does in the 30-30. I've never been a fan of copper because of its lack of expansion. However, it pokes through bone a little better. I'd only guess as to wether the 30-30 really has the velosity to push the copper through bone in the same conditions as when the lead failed. The ballistics guys may want to chime in on that one.
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For Kestryl:
http://hogswat.com/faq/ "We typically shoot hogs well under 200 yards, average I would say is 75 yards.. We use 75g BTHP hand loads from Hornaday. They are devastating to hogs and with no recoil, follow up shots are easy and effective. Its a widely held belief that 223′s aren’t enough to hunt hogs with. That is simply NOT the case. “Back in the day” when folks first started using 223′s to hunt hogs in TX there were no other readily available ‘hunting’ bullets for the 223. You used 55g FMJ, pitiful performance on any large game. Now with dedicated hunting rounds for this caliber, the 223 is a VERY deadly, easy to shoot platform for ethical hog hunting. We have well over 1000 hogs that would agree with us.." These guys are professionals and slaughter hogs for a living, I'd tend to at least consider what they have to say. |
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In many parts of CA, the shots you describe are certainly possible. What about the other 200 yards out here in CA though? CA offers long range shooting that many states back east and in the south don't offer. In other words, when that 300 yard shot presents itself out here in CA on a 250lb pig and all you have is the 223, what are you going to do? Relying on the 223 in CA terrain is a poor option since shots you could easily take with a 308 or 30-06 would or should be passed up with a 223. Why limit yourself to a firearm that would under perform in many situations out here? Not to mention the fact that you still have to pay the guide. Last edited by taperxz; 12-31-2013 at 12:01 PM.. |
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http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/...5-25-%28FHL%29 I would definitely recommend using a 30 cal bullet for a noob but (IMO) 223 is good as long as you are proficient and it does have limitations that the 30 cals don't. Try to start with the 308 but if you don't want to shell out the money you can jump on in with the mini/AR but just be careful and be ready to be flamed when you post your kill on a hunting forum. If you use the mini-14 make sure to practice shooting in less than ideal field positions and practice tracking moving targets. A few weeks ago I saw a coyote and I saw another one while hunting last week, I did not really feel like shooting them and skinning them not to mention risk scaring the pigs away but I did practice drawing a bead on them just to keep proficient at field shooting positions with a back pack on etc... With all that said if you decide to do a guided hunt they may require you to use a 30 cal rifle but the guides can be expensive and I have always pounded sand until I figured out the place and know where the hogs are and when they move and when and where to set up at a pig traffic area. It may be a good idea though if you first go out on a guided hunt so you can learn the ropes and be instructed by a veteran hunter to help get you started. Last edited by MapleSyrupSmuggler; 12-31-2013 at 12:22 PM.. |
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It's not impossible to get in to under 100 yards when stalking hogs, open terrain or not. Sure, you'll have to let a few pass but that's all part of the hunt. Understand you and your equipment limitations and make it happen. If you own a .223 and can't afford the .338 or .50uberboomer that people say you need, understand that it's not out of the question and actually pretty common caliber for hogs. |
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The terrain i hunt for deer would not allow you to stalk that close. You either have six inches of grass (if that, depending on if the area is grazed by cattle) and maybe a few oaks in the way. OR! You are shooting from a ridge line and what separates you from the game is six feet of buck brush not to mention if you wound the animal it runs into the brush and you won't find it. I'll take the long shot! I'm not doubting your ability or scenarios in GA! Your ideas give the impression that you don't know much about hunting big game in CA though. |
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I personally run a savage 308 similar to yours which has a heavy varmint barrel on it made for benchrest match shooting not for hunting. But guess where it at most if not all of the time? Out in the woods taking hogs and deer and anything else that wants to play. I havent weighed it, but its certainly much heavier than all my buddies hunting rifles with slim profiled crowned barrels. Its probably about the same weight as my old lmt mwse. Dont go out buying some other rifle when youve already got the best in your possession. Its in a great multi platform caliber, you already have it set up with a scope and whatever accessories. All youve got to do is buy some ammo and put your feet to walking!
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100-200 yards, 200-300, more? This somewhat dovetails with my dislike of bolt action rifles, other than my inherent preference for semi-autos. We hear all the time about pigs charging people and hunters carrying big bore handguns as back up (or would that be big boar handguns?). This implies very close range where a bolt action would be slower then switching to a backup. But the need for power and accuracy at range implies distance and less need of a backup sidearm. It can be rather confusing for a person just looking in to it. If something has the potential to charge me and inflict damage or death I want follow-up shots on tap. Rule #4, if someone or something is closing on you with evil intent, fire until they stop and the candy comes out.
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It like to wait for prey to come to it.
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Kes,
I have a Savage 99 in .308. If you ever want to borrow it for a range trip or a hunting trip, just let me know. Hell, we can even load up a bunch of lead free ammo for it in case you want to hunt condors.
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Go .44 mag if you can. I have taken 17 with that round. I have been doing this for about 30 years. 44 mag is the way to go for a handgun.
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This is one of the reasons answers to questions are often conflicting. People have different experiences where they hunt. Thats why generally the best answer to a new hunters questions regarding weapon and caliber is to get more gun and glass and be done with it. If you're a nut like me, i find every reason to buy a firearm for every condition Quote:
If you are beating brush while hunting hogs and/or using dogs, a handgun is what you would be using as your primary weapon for the most part. Shay can chime in on his experiences with this but it goes back to where you are hunting and the terrain you are hunting in. I think Shay offers both spot and stalk hunts as well as up close and personal handgun hunts with his dogs. Quote:
Stick around a bit new guy, you can even start your own thread on what kind of backup gun you need and what everyone else carries for a "back-up" LOL!!! Others on this will chime in shortly for sure. Whats fun with this Kes is that you are now showing a fear of the animal and we are only on a computer. Wait till you get out in the field and put your crosshairs on an animal you are about to shoot!! Getting buck fever sucks if you can't control it, but its all adrenaline taking over your mind and body. This is all stuff you will learn out in the field and you really can't understand what its like until you get out there. You also can't be afraid to screw up because YOU WILL! Its all a part of the learning process. Which again translates into more gun is better because you owe it to the animal when you screw up on a shot to be able to find that wounded animal or that dead animal that ran off a thousand yards before it died. |
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I generally tell people 270. or larger when I take them. I simply want people to be successful. You never know where the shot oppertunity will come from. It could be 15' or 275yds if its strait across a canyon. Even veteran hunters and ex military sharpshooters miss. When it's your hard earned money on the line and you have a truck full of your friends watching you make the shot the pressure is on. The adrenaline starts pumping, the possibility of going home empty handed, the thought of your buddies giving you crap if you miss can get the best of anyone.
That's why I do my best to encourage somone to use a rifle that will reach out as far as you can comfortably shoot and be powerful enough to compensate for a reasonable margin of error. The situation in Georgia that the gentleman above refered to dosent apply to what most people experience here in California. For one the ground is rarely flat. Shooting across canyons is a common occurance and regularly requires people to shoot at whatever that distance requires. You will also not see a guide service allow anyone to shoot unlimited hogs. Meaning you can't potentially wound a hog or two and expect to keep on hunting. It simply dosent happen here. It's a difference of apples and oranges.
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As far as uppers for an AR 15 there are a lot but it really helps if you reload. 30ossm (Half way between a 308 and 30-06 in terms f performance), 6.5wssm which has .260 performance, .25wssm which is identical to a 25-06 and 243wssm which was already mentioned. There are also other variants which are very capable for a knowledgeable shooter.
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Not so much fear as curiosity, I have a hard time reconciling the two statements that are heard when discussing hog hunting.
A) Go big bore, scoped bolt action so you can hit at long ranges. B) Carry a big bore back up handgun in case it charges you. So the pig is far enough away that I need a caliber with enough energy at range but close enough to jeopardize my life if wounded. Either these two conflict or pigs have mastered teleportation. So I ask questions to clarify.
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I'll see if i can find the youtube video of the lady who actually encountered a buck deer trying to mate with her. LOL Things happen in the wild. Many people who get hurt by a pigs are hunting up close and personal on purpose so their risk level is slightly heightened. |
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.357 and .44 are good rounds for pistols when hog hunting but it wouldn't be my first choice in a rifle or carbine for pig hunting. If you were using a Marlin or Winchester in a carbine and your shots were no more than 50 yards and you went for pigs on the smaller side you would be alright with a .357 or .44. A new hunter would be good to go with a 270, 308, or 30-06. You cant really go wrong there. I prefer my 450 Marlin Guide gun with no scope for up close and personal shots. Anything past a hundred yards I go to my 45-70 with a scope. Most pigs are taken between 100 and 200 yards. Which is perfect for my 45-70. I am a big fan of really heavy bullets for pigs. I use 300 grain tsx's for both of my Marlins. Whatever you decide to take just make sure you spend time getting to know your weapon. Shoot it as much as you can. Practice make perfect. Oh ya have fun!
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I don't hunt with a bolt action anymore. I am one of the few here who find an AR more advantageous, especially when hunting pigs. It is just as accurate as a bolt action, but allows me to take running game or multiple game easier. What most of the posters here are trying to recommend to you is a rifle set up that will maximize your chance at success. For me that is an AR in a WSSM caliber. My wife likes to use a 6.8, but I like more range out of my rifles. I would look for a rifle that you can comfortably shoot to 300 yards and shoots a cartridge powerful enough to take a pig at that range. Ideally you should also be able to shoot the rifle effectively at 10 yards at a running pig. You never know what situation your going to encounter and you don't want to miss out on the only opportunity you might have at a pig. |
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I've hit a pig at 10 yards with my 300 rum. I shouldered the gun, pointed the muzzle at his vitals and rolled the scope over and popped him. It's was a 6.5-20x50mm Zeiss. All I saw was fur but dropped him right there. I'll say this though I was ready for a situation like that. I suck though so I mostly call it luck. |
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First of thanks for all the info and advice.
After seeing what was posted, doing some reading and checking on other foums and such I think I'm going to build up a lower I have in the safe in to a 6.8 spc and once I verify it's accuracy limit it to 200 yards max. Second I do owe you all a bit of an apology, I kind of played you. I intentionally asked a bunch of newbie question, reiterated them a few times after getting an answer and opted out of the first suggestion right away. No one got short, sharp or snide and everyone stayed on topic and polite. I've seen similar questions handled much the same and some handle much more 'briskly' for lack of a better word. This is what the Hunting forum can look like to a new member or someone interested in hunting, even if they are not an Admin, and it looks good.
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That may be a little noisy to load which is a bad thing when hunting.
I would have gone the lever action since you don't like bolts. One thing about hunting very rarely do you need a second or multiple shots. It should be one shot one kill......if you get to shoot a round at all. Good luck |
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Sure the 6.8 will work but if your building a dedicated upper for pig hunting its well worth the while to get a wssm/ossm variant. You dont want to spot that monster 300lb boar at 500 yards and be sitting there wishing you had more gun. Thats my opinion at least.
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Just for the sake of this thread. Whaf is the cost for one of those uppers and compatibility for existing equipment?
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Fair enough
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Edited my comment. If i remember correctly you had one built by a vendor here?
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