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Old 11-11-2018, 1:05 PM
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Sick of this AR Maglock. Even after they replaced the defective bent one they first sent it doesn't work right. Today my magazine would fall out every few shots. I cant screw it in any tighter. Not only does that sucks I'm sure it could land me in trouble if someone checked it for being "fixed" and it came out if they wiggled it a certain way.


Budget is <$60. Also cant stand trying to clear a double feed with it. Recommendations on a different one?
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Old 11-11-2018, 1:29 PM
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Look for mshill's mod. Easy, cheap, and it's a positive lock. Only downside is your stuck with using a bf or ma loaders, and yes, clearing misfeeds are still a challenge.

Or check out featureless. Using a hammerhead or something similar the mod will run less than $40, plus you can drop your mag like a normal person.
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Old 11-11-2018, 2:11 PM
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Juggernaut Tactical has been rock solid for me. Double feeds are cumbersome, but possible to clear.

How often are you getting double feeds though? Maybe somethings wrong with your rifle?
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Old 11-11-2018, 2:23 PM
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Juggernaut Tactical has been rock solid for me. Double feeds are cumbersome, but possible to clear.

How often are you getting double feeds though? Maybe somethings wrong with your rifle?
I’ll check it out.

The double feed thing is my fault. I had Magpul dummy rounds in the mag a couple times and they don’t quite extract like a regular case.
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Old 11-11-2018, 3:07 PM
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Juggernaut looks sweet. I think I'll grab one.
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Old 11-11-2018, 3:50 PM
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juggernaut and get a houge freedom fighter kit.
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Old 11-11-2018, 4:21 PM
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Juggernaut looks sweet. I think I'll grab one.
It’s a good kit, feel free to PM with any questions on the install/operation. When I put my first one on I was a little disappointed at first, but after figuring out some slight adjustments & breaking it in a little it’s great.
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Old 11-11-2018, 4:45 PM
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80% Arms has a similar device to the JT and I think about $20 or so cheaper if you want to go that route..
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Old 11-11-2018, 7:08 PM
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I’m pretty happy with the set screw and BF10 loader save money for ammo! Even with bf10 being 35 bucks it still isn’t too bad.
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Old 11-11-2018, 7:32 PM
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Ordered the Juggernaut so I could be done with it.
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Old 11-11-2018, 7:34 PM
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Another vote for the hellfighter , ditched the AR maglock and haven’t looked back.
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I wanted to get the hell fighter too but this video showing how to clear malfunctions discouraged me
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Old 11-12-2018, 3:21 AM
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I wanted to get the hell fighter too but this video showing how to clear malfunctions discouraged me
Hahaha...California kills me... that’s so much safer.


Besides being hilarious that’s just a minor inconvenience for as infrequent as double feeds are.
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I just posted a California Compliant shootout on another thread that lays out all the pros and cons of the most popular devices out there.

The outcome is you have to decide how you want to operate your rifle. If you want fast mag changes, FTE clearing, Bolt hold back mag releasing then there are options for you. If you're a bench shooter and could care less about any of the above then there are options for you. but as you can see above there are plenty of people that mix and match and decide what works best for them. That is ultimately what its all about. If you' exhausted all possibilities with the AR Maglock then check out the video I posted and hopefully the info will help.
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Thanks for the video
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what brand/make of AR are you having problems with the AR Maglock?

What magazines are you using?
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what brand/make of AR are you having problems with the AR Maglock?

What magazines are you using?
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Pmags.


The screw head doesn’t pull up on the mag catch evenly. It just levers up one side. It’s all loose and the only way it works is tightening it down until the “upper part” is 1/2” inside the receiver. Garbage. First one they sent me was bent.
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well sucks it doesn't work for you

FWIW it does for me on my S&W M&P. Before I got the Kingpin I was able to just unscrew the alan screw to release mag when I got a double feed. Had to unscrew it quite a bit


I suspect there are some variances between various lowers, IDK.

Protohyp just did extensive comparisons between offerings and combo's of mixing parts. Hopefully one of those variants works better for you
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:17 AM
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I'm using the ar maglock and the kingpin and i find it to be the best combo.

I can actually change mags even when the bolt is locked back if i need to. That means i can easily fix a double feed. Plus my bolt doesn't smash forward after every mag....

My only issue is that its very pricy...i think i paid something like 110 otd for the combo. You can buy the hellfighter for about half that...

It all comes down to what you want out of your AR. If its a bench gun...where you shoot 50 rounds and call it a year...it really doesn't matter.

If you don't care about bolt holdback....then i'd say the hellfighter (or its 80%arms duplicate) is the best value. If you want it as close to full functionality...then the armaglock and the kingpin are the best option...
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Old 11-12-2018, 11:22 AM
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All my AR's have a Gen III PMag riveted into the receiver via an aluminum rivet so to make them fixed/non-detachable, they have also been drilled & tapped so i can install a set screw to lock out my standard mag release in case i ever need an emergency fixed mag backup. The rivet mod costs me about .08-.10 cents and with the money i save i buy my mag, and one of each BF10 and MEAN ARMS loader. I keep my rifles looking like a standard AR with all the features including my bolt hold open. Whenever i go to the range i am sure to have a mag with me because it is now affixed to the receiver so even if i forget my loaders i can still top load and enjoy my time at the range. Clearing jams or whatever is simply a matter of having to mortar my rifle or just sliding my base plate and dropping my spring and rounds with a little practice this literally only takes me a minute and that's me being lazy. I only shoot TulAmmo steel cased and i run my rifles wet with castro synthetic engine oil and the only problems i've ever had were with reloads i was asked to try which were of incorrect lengths and didn't cycle well. With having both the BF10 and the MEAN ARMS you can choose to keep your bolt locked back or have it strip a round after loading depending on which loader you choose. I find the BF10 to be better constructed and suffers less wear...just my observation but both work. My rifles are for both range/recreation and home defense...yes in a home defense i may run into a dangerous situation after my ten rounds runout (CA LAW), but i am going to be screwed in court just after firing one round anyways. I do have several other weapons at the ready for any home invasion but whatever is going to happen is gonna happen so i'll deal with it when that day comes but for now i'll do whatever keeps me legal and affords me the opportunity to keep shooting and have fun.
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i had a few double feeds yesterday with the maglock gen2 and kingpin combo
turns out the mags were not locking all the way in. felt like they hit a stop when inserting, but if i pulled on it, it would slide out. the mag catch is just really tight. couple slaps on the bottom of the mag got it seated well, and functioned fine after i figured it out.

with those double feeds, i can clear them by unscrewing the maglock, very easy. but i do wonder about the compliance side of that. some say it has to be permanent
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go featureless and you wont have these issues...
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go featureless and you wont have these issues...
If I recall that doesn’t really work for pistols.

Juggernaut looks perfect. Should be here soon.
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unfortunately AR Maglocks and Kingpins dont play well with a lot of 80%ers. Some have had luck but most of our reports are that they dont work well.

good luck with the JT
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i had a few double feeds yesterday with the maglock gen2 and kingpin combo
turns out the mags were not locking all the way in. felt like they hit a stop when inserting, but if i pulled on it, it would slide out. the mag catch is just really tight. couple slaps on the bottom of the mag got it seated well, and functioned fine after i figured it out.

with those double feeds, i can clear them by unscrewing the maglock, very easy. but i do wonder about the compliance side of that. some say it has to be permanent
If you're running blocked mags or 10 round mags check and see how much bounce you have if you push the 10th round down into the mag. Any BCG/Mag catch likes at least 3/16" minimum of bounce to lightly seat the mag. If you're looking at 1/8" or less bounce on the spring then you're going to have to REALLY slam the mag in hard to engage the mag catch. That is if you're trying to seat mags with bolt forward.

If you're seating mags with bolt held back then it shouldn't be an issue but I'd like to know if you'd help us troubleshoot through the issues. All this stuff is good to know from a manufactures point of view.
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Really like the Juggernaut Hellfighter in theory. Again I wish these companies would but a bit more quality into their product.

Seems like its dangerous to take the rear takedown pin out to clean your rifle. The detent pin constantly jumps out of the groove on it and is extremely hard to put back in without taking off the buffer tube and pulling the spring. While adjusting the height on the set screw it happened multiple times and finally the entire takedown pin bent and now the thing works like ****.
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Really like the Juggernaut Hellfighter in theory. Again I wish these companies would but a bit more quality into their product.

Seems like its dangerous to take the rear takedown pin out to clean your rifle. The detent pin constantly jumps out of the groove on it and is extremely hard to put back in without taking off the buffer tube and pulling the spring. While adjusting the height on the set screw it happened multiple times and finally the entire takedown pin bent and now the thing works like ****.
Carefully bend it back as straight as you can. Just some pointers to help out with it: keep the pin lubed well, and the detent track-it will wear in with some use and get better. You can also try trimming a couple coils off your rear detent spring to make it shorter, this takes a little pressure off it so it doesn’t try to jump the detent track so easily. Another thing is make sure to apply back pressure toward the rear of the rifle as you pull on the Juggernaut pin to pull it out. This will also help to keep it in its track.

I had the same issues/frustrations with it at first, and after doing the above and some break in time, it’s flawless.

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I've had the JT device for a few months. As previous poster mentioned, i too have had my detent jump out and it is a PAIN.

biggest issue is the double feed i experienced during competition today. Fortunately this isn't a pistol so ive decided to go featureless
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I wanted to get the hell fighter too but this video showing how to clear malfunctions discouraged me
Wow that is kinda complicated.
I looked at some of these and so far I like the comp mag design. I don’t have one to know if it works well or not but it reminds me of the krag Jorgensen design.
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i had a few double feeds yesterday with the maglock gen2 and kingpin combo
turns out the mags were not locking all the way in. felt like they hit a stop when inserting, but if i pulled on it, it would slide out. the mag catch is just really tight. couple slaps on the bottom of the mag got it seated well, and functioned fine after i figured it out.

with those double feeds, i can clear them by unscrewing the maglock, very easy. but i do wonder about the compliance side of that. some say it has to be permanent
Get your hands on a couple JE Mags.
The floor plate slides right off if jams happen.
Spring and rounds drop out in seconds.

https://je-machine.com/index.php/dep...-b-coming-soon
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Thanks for the tips. Hopefully they send me a replacement one. Never used a pin that didnt take at least a littlest of pressure. That shouldn't bend so easy but I get why they had to make it so thin.

I tried holding against the detent pin and keeping it straight while pulling the pin out. Royal PITA. Hopefully I can get a new one to break in before it just breaks, because this seems pretty awesome minus this hiccup.
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^hopefully you can get a replacement. If not, you can buy just a pin from them for cheaper than a whole new kit directly from the JT website.
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Yep, bent my Juggernaut Hellfighter rear take down pin wiggling it around after having the detent jump the groove and jam itself up. I was able to bend it back straight enough to function as intended. Now I'm real careful when pulling the pin. Still one of the best fixed mag options out there though.
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Yeah i can drop out the bottom plate of my pmags and lancer too. Just pointing out that it can be done with the maglock with a single allen.


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