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Rimfire Firearms .22, .17 and other Rimfire Handguns and Rifles |
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Ruger MK III 22/45 legal?
Hi everyone. I'm planning to move back to CA and have a question regarding my pistol. This was a birthday present, so I would like to hold onto it if possible. It has the threaded barrel, so would pinning make it okay? Also, I read here that RP (replaceable panels) models aren't allowed. This is a RP model, so can anything be done with this?
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RP as in the grip panels? If so those are ok, no issues. You'll need to permanently attach some type of "thread protector" on the end. Not sure if a pin is enough or you'll have to weld the pin in place. (most likely the later).
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Hello. Yes, RP meaning the grip panels. I honestly cannot understand why grips would be a problem, but this thread has me confused:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=474510 I can understand the threaded barrel, but this is totally a new one for me. |
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Once here (the firearm that is), you have 60 days to register it with the doj via an OP Law form. will cost you $19 and a stamp. |
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At the end, it's all just silly technicality. A 22/45 is legal or own but illegal for stores to sell unless you are exempt. Stupid, I know |
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BTW - if you need to have it welded I would suggest pining the protector (at the threads) and weld the pin to the protector... don't weld the protector directly to the barrel. If you move back you can reverse the process this way. (lots of info on AR15.com about pining short barreled rifles, AR pistols, etc and removal later)
Welcome back to CA. Welcome to CGN and the state's stupid laws.
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Thanks for all the info guys. It really is pretty difficult trying to decipher through all the strange laws down there. I'll go ahead and see about getting it pinned the way described in the post above.
One last question regarding this part: I'm guessing OP means Outside Purchase? Is this basically the same as simply buying something from the LGS? Or is does this lean more towards registering an assault weapon? |
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sofbak is mistaken it is not the OP Law form it is the "New Resident Handgun Ownership Report" form in this case
OP Law is short for Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction It is for transfer that are an operation of law such as spousal transfer, inheritance, operation of a estate/will, intrafamily transfers etc Yes, kinda the same sort of registration that would have been done at an FFL here in CA if you had purchased it here. All handgun purchases/transfers in CA are required to be registered after 1991 I think it was. Rifle registration at time of purchase/transfer starts next year. No, this is not like an Assault Weapon Registration. Registration period for Assault Weapons is long closed. That is why your pistol with a threaded barrel under CA law is considered an AW and must have its feature of a threaded barrel removed to not be an AW. Please see the Pistol Flow Chart: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf Here is the actual CA PC: Quote:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf Last edited by Chaos47; 05-24-2013 at 1:50 PM.. |
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Fair enough. I had forgotten to ask if I had to file the form on rifles as well. But I just looked at Wiki and it only pertains to handguns. No worries, as all my handguns were purchased in CA (with the exception of this one). Was starting to get worried - $19 + $19 + $19 + + + - it adds up quick!
I was almost prepared to just sell this one, so thanks again for the responses guys! |
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No as long as you move back to CA before Jan 1st 2014 you do not need to report your rifles. (and they would be reported on a different form, which I'm not sure they have even made yet)
Are your rifles CA legal? Tell us what you have if you are unsure. |
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Yes, I'll be back in CA sometime within 2 months.
The only rifles/shotguns I'm having problems with are: FAL built on Imbel receiver and Saiga 12. I've already ordered the bullet buttons for each. I'm thinking that I should be ok with that, as long as my mags don't exceed 10 rds. I just glanced at your featureless build link. So even with a bullet button, I'd never be able to use my standard 20 rd mags in the FAL? Because it has the pistol grip? |
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Yes with a fixed magazine (magazine locked) rifle by definition you can not use a magazine that has the capacity to accept over 10 rounds.
By inserting a 20 round magazine into a fixed magazine rifle you have created an AW. Quote:
If you have a featureless rifle they are not limited to a magazine size by definition under the law. But you can not have any features. Quote:
It would not need a magazine lock and you could use large-capacity magazines in it. But theres the issue about the magazines themselves... Did you own your 10+ magazines in CA prior to Jan 1st 2000? If not it is illegal to bring them into CA assembled and/or put them back together without limiting them to 10 rounds. If you did own them in CA prior to Jan 1st 2000 it is fine to bring them back. Quote:
Shotguns have their own rules too: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf Semi automatic shotguns can not have detachable magazines so you will need the magazine lock on it. There is no such thing as a featureless detachable magazine semiautomatic shotgun in CA Also be aware a semiautomatic shotgun that has both a folding or telescoping stock and a pistol grip is an AW Quote:
Last edited by Chaos47; 05-24-2013 at 2:18 PM.. |
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No, the Saiga12 is bone stock. No pistol grip nor folding stock. The only modification it'll have is the mag lock.
Okay, so I have a featureless Mini30 with pre-ban 30 rounders. I can shoot the hell out of that thing all I want. But the FAL, I wouldn't be able to use anything over 10rds regardless of whether the mags were pre-ban? Unless I do away with the pistol grip? |
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Yes Saiga 12 needs a mag lock.
Mini 30 is fine if it is indeed featureless.. make sure it does not have a Flash Suppressor/Hider or any other feature Really theres no such thing as "pre-ban" magazines in CA. There are magazines you owned prior to Jan 1st 2000 in CA. Doesn't matter if you owned them in a different state prior to Jan 1st it matters if you had them in CA prior to that date. If the FAL is magazine locked then it can never have a magazine that has the ability to take over 10 rounds inserted into it. You could make the FAL a featureless by removing all its features and not use a magazine lock. There are grip wraps to take care of the pistol grip. You would have to make sure you have a muzzle brake or comp not a flash hider/suppressor. It would need a fixed stock (shoudlnt be a problem) and could not have any other feature Features are: Pistol grip. Thumbhole stock. Folding or telescoping stock. Grenade launcher or flare launcher. Flash suppressor. Forward pistol grip. Again if you did not have your "large-capacity magazines" in CA prior to Jan 1st 2000 it will be illegal for you to bring them into the state with you when you move here again. This would fall under the crime of importing in the above PC I listed 12020. (Disassembled they are not magazines and are legal to bring) (Put them back together and you have committed the crime of manufacturing) If you owned them in the state prior to that date they are fine to bring back. |
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Okay, I think most my questions are answered for now. I should be safe as far as what I currently have. I better start looking for a local gunsmith who can work on the threaded barrel for me. Oh, I might as well ask since this is good time .... stripped AR15 and FAL receivers wouldn't need a mag lock installed just for when I'm moving into the state, right?
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No stripped lowers do not need magazine locks because they are not centerfire semiautomatic rifles yet.
Good Luck on the smith, don't skimp on one for this kind of work imo. BTW since the way the 22/45's barrel and receiver is settup you could have a muzzle device welded / pinned onto it instead of a thread protector since it won't cause any problems dissembling it... For example if you had a GLOCK barrel that had a pinned / welded muzzle device it would pretty much be stuck in the frame because of how the barrel is in relation to the frame. But with the 22/45 you would not have that issue. |
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You bring up a good point. If I'm going to have something pinned, it may as well be something "good". I've never given it much thought before, so I'll surf around and see what's offered.
As far as the smith is concerned, my time here is somewhat limited. I found a local guy, but he's not taking any new work at the moment. If it comes down to it, can I send this to a smith in the Los Angeles area and pick it up in person once it's finished? Or would it be a no-no sending it into CA in its current configuration? |
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Problem is with the 22/45 and MK series the barreled upper is the serialized part that counts as the firearm. Unlike most firearms that the grip frame is the firearm. Quote:
If you had the "large-capacity magazine" inside CA prior to Jan 1st 2000 it can then later leave the state and come back. Last edited by Chaos47; 05-24-2013 at 3:29 PM.. |
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I was of the opinion that you cannot import or export mags without a permit or license of some sort. With that thought you should not take them out of state and you definitly can't bring them back. Now someone tell me if I am wrong on this. Does it only apply to dealers. I have often wondered if I took my magazines out of state can I bring them back. I have always thought no. With moving out of state does it change anything.
Last edited by donmopar; 05-24-2013 at 4:09 PM.. |
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