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Old 12-11-2018, 6:38 PM
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Default Buying antique rifles out of state

This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. I'll be in AZ later this month, and was wondering if I should bother hitting up any shops over there and take a look at any antiques they might have. As a non COE/03 holder, would I be able to buy an antique rifle from a shop out of state? Or since the shop is an FFL, and I am not a resident nor an 03/COE holder, am I SOL? I can find info online regarding C&Rs, but nothing that answers my question about antique rifles.
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Old 12-11-2018, 6:45 PM
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non resident needs a FFL 03 I think to buy then when brought bask have to fill in form for Cal Doj I think.
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Antique is not a firearm

If you are of age and not a prohibited person you can cash and carry and bring home
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Old 12-11-2018, 7:37 PM
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That's what I was thinking huntingsocal, but since I'd be possibly buying from an FFL, wouldn't they do a background check? Or would I be able to do one out of state?

Or would the shop see my ID and be like, ok, over 21, here ya go, since it's an antique?
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That's what I was thinking huntingsocal, but since I'd be possibly buying from an FFL, wouldn't they do a background check? Or would I be able to do one out of state?

Or would the shop see my ID and be like, ok, over 21, here ya go, since it's an antique?
Would depend on the shops policy.

But what was posted above regarding antiques and non prohibited person is correct.
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Ok, thanks for all the info guys. If I happen across a shop while I'm over there, I'll stop in and see what they have since it might not be a total waste of time. Thanks again.
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Antique is not a firearm

If you are of age and not a prohibited person you can cash and carry and bring home
An "Antique Firearm" most certainly is a firearm. Please refer to the Penal Code section 16520.

Please note that section 15620(d) specifically exempts antique firearms from a number of Penal Code sections when unloaded. The exempted sections include those that would otherwise require the transfer to occur through an FFL, that require registration by new residents, and that require current residents to ship weapons acquired out of state to a California FFL for release.

But there are a great number of Penal Code sections that still apply to antique firearms. These include the prohibition on open carry and concealed carry, and possession by prohibited persons.
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Op, are you referring to antique guns or C&R guns? These are completely different animals from a legal perspective.
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Antique = manufactured in or before 1898. C&R = 50 years old or on the BATFE curio list. Do you have time to obtain a C&R license before your trip? Took me three weeks, some people report a month or two.
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I stand corrected... Here are the two PC's that cover it.

PC 27585 & 27565

Do a Google and they will both pop up....
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Milsurp1, antiques, pre 1898, so gew 88/05, turked 1893 Mausers, that kinda stuff. Leaving after Christmas, so I don't think I'd have the COE by then ;/
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I believe pre 1899 mfg is classified as antique
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Milsurp1, antiques, pre 1898, so gew 88/05, turked 1893 Mausers, that kinda stuff. Leaving after Christmas, so I don't think I'd have the COE by then ;/
Keep your fingers crossed. My rewnewal date is 12/21,,,, :-)
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Why not just have someone in AR buy it and give it to you?
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Because that would be a straw purchase.
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only if there's a 4473 involved. If a shop has a weird "no CA sales" for antiques, but will let somebody else cash-carry from the store with no paperwork, they could then cash-carry to you. A "straw purchase" is the generic term for "lying on a federal form". No form=no lie.
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I stand corrected regarding my previous statement. Should have said, my experience is that most dealers do not require an FFL for antique firearms

I’d just go in to, or call shops along the travel route and ask if they have any antique firearms for sale. Then hit those up

If you happen to see any Mosins maybe ask if you can check the tang date to see if it is antique but then of course every shop is going to have their own policy and may or may not know what constitutes an antique
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Why not just have someone in AR buy it and give it to you?
Because OP is going to Arizona not Arkansas?
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I have a couple GEW 88s. I unload one of them. PAX
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