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Old 04-01-2018, 10:28 AM
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TAC-FIRE also in nice . the only down side it will not fit with a standard buffer tube .You have to use a pistol buffer tube ,but that's a good thing if you have a AR-47 .It really slams the round in
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Hey guys! I just finished writing and posting a product comparison for some of the featureless grips and ambi safeties I've tried out. It's not a full comparison of Mud Camper's comprehensive list, but I picked my three favorite setups and wrote my thoughts down about them. Check it out. Hope it helps some of you guys trying to decide on your featureless setup!

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Hey guys! I just finished writing and posting a product comparison for some of the featureless grips and ambi safeties I've tried out. It's not a full comparison of Mud Camper's comprehensive list, but I picked my three favorite setups and wrote my thoughts down about them. Check it out. Hope it helps some of you guys trying to decide on your featureless setup!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1437853
Great write up over there, thank you
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Great write up over there, thank you
Agreed. Very good and detailed write up. Thanks for taking the time to post the photos and write it.
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Here's my review of comifornia's Universal AK Thumb Rest.


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So any word on the legality of the Ledesma grip?
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So any word on the legality of the Ledesma grip?
In what way?
DOJ does not "approve" compliance devices.
We won't really know what is and isn't compliant until someone is arrested, charged, tried, and either convicted or acquitted. If they accept a plea bargain, it will not establish case law.
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DOJ does not "approve" compliance devices.
We won't really know what is and isn't compliant until someone is arrested, charged, tried, and either convicted or acquitted. If they accept a plea bargain, it will not establish case law.
Well that is absolutely terrifying. I was not aware that there was not an official ruling device to device (just kind of assumed the ATF and DOJ weighed in). So there's even a chance something like my Thordsen could land me in jail. Learn something new every day I guess

I guess a more specific question I should ask is; does the Ledesma, on paper, fit the specifications of a featureless grip?
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Well that is absolutely terrifying. I was not aware that there was not an official ruling device to device (just kind of assumed the ATF and DOJ weighed in). So there's even a chance something like my Thordsen could land me in jail. Learn something new every day I guess

I guess a more specific question I should ask is; does the Ledesma, on paper, fit the specifications of a featureless grip?
Webbing between thumb and index finger of the firing hand must be above the highest portion of the exposed trigger.
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Old 04-17-2018, 7:33 AM
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Well that is absolutely terrifying. I was not aware that there was not an official ruling device to device (just kind of assumed the ATF and DOJ weighed in). So there's even a chance something like my Thordsen could land me in jail. Learn something new every day I guess

I guess a more specific question I should ask is; does the Ledesma, on paper, fit the specifications of a featureless grip?
Yes, Dan is right.

Here is the current “on paper” definition...
*Definition per State of California’s “Assault Weapons Identification Guide”, 3rd Edition, November 2001, page 80: “Pistol Grip, conspicuously protruding: A grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.”

So people have two simple questions to ask themselves...
1) “what is the web of my hand?”
1a) “what does the state or a jury think the web of your hand is?”
2) “can #1 be below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing?”

Ok, so it was technically 3 questions.
P.S. I’m not a lawyer and I’m not your attorney.

Here is some information on pistol grip legality.
http://www.sparrowdynamics.com/CRG-1...Info-s/108.htm
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Yes, Dan is right.

Here is the current “on paper” definition...
*Definition per State of California’s “Assault Weapons Identification Guide”, 3rd Edition, November 2001, page 80: “Pistol Grip, conspicuously protruding: A grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.”

So people have two simple questions to ask themselves...
1) “what is the web of my hand?”
1a) “what does the state or a jury think the web of your hand is?”
2) “can #1 be below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing?”

Ok, so it was technically 3 questions.
P.S. I’m not a lawyer and I’m not your attorney.

Here is some information on pistol grip legality.
http://www.sparrowdynamics.com/CRG-1...Info-s/108.htm
To answer #2, I don't know for sure because I've never held the grip, but from what I can see you could totally pull the trigger with the web of your hand below the trigger because of the obscure 30-40* angle of the grip.

Sparrow grip for me it is
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In what way?
DOJ does not "approve" compliance devices.
We won't really know what is and isn't compliant until someone is arrested, charged, tried, and either convicted or acquitted. If they accept a plea bargain, it will not establish case law.
Do we even know of charges that have already been filed? I've never heard of anyone being charged with being out of compliance, but who made an attempt to be compliant.
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I have a Ledesma Grip .. And after putting it on .thought long and hard about it . Then took it off .. did not want to be the test subject .. now i only use it when i go to Nevada
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Do we even know of charges that have already been filed? I've never heard of anyone being charged with being out of compliance, but who made an attempt to be compliant.
No one yet, but the question has always been "who wants to be the first?"
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No one yet, but the question has always been "who wants to be the first?"
That'll be interesting if CA starts to prosecute people. California's communist red line will be drawn.
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That'll be interesting if CA starts to prosecute people. California's communist red line will be drawn.
It's been almost 30 years since the original ban. Thordsen has been selling their stocks for 10? years? The grip market has been around a long time and is thriving. IANAL but how tenable is it to start using strict enforcement when it's been years and years?

Seems unlikely they would suddenly start cracking down. They have at least been decent about grandfathering people in as opposed to an Australian style turn in.

But yeah, nobody wants to be the test case. Especially since everything is a felony.
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Do we even know of charges that have already been filed? I've never heard of anyone being charged with being out of compliance, but who made an attempt to be compliant.
Not presently.

Best we have is a case from a few years ago when the DOJ submitted a court brief indicating that they did not believe the Bullet Button was non-compliant.
Of course, today, the Bullet Button is non-compliant.

There would likely be no current charges other than potentially against someone who assembled a featured build with a bullet button after Jan 2017, since we are still within the registration window for another 2 months.
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For my hands, it's an evolutionary improvement, not a revolutionary one.

Is it worth $40? Eh. But Will's customer service -- with the exception of timeliness/speed -- has been outstanding. Moreover, I appreciate how difficult it is to get a business off the ground....

Re: Resurgent Arms Safety Selector

This is truly a genuine improvement. No need to retrain myself around an ambidextrous safety; just have to use my thumb like the PMIs taught me....
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How does one hold on to an ak with that? Where do you place your hand?? Need really long fingers?

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For my hands, it's an evolutionary improvement, not a revolutionary one.

Is it worth $40? Eh. But Will's customer service -- with the exception of timeliness/speed -- has been outstanding. Moreover, I appreciate how difficult it is to get a business off the ground....

Re: Resurgent Arms Safety Selector

This is truly a genuine improvement. No need to retrain myself around an ambidextrous safety; just have to use my thumb like the PMIs taught me....
Hi Butlers,

Thanks, man! The grip is a much "sexier" product, but I personally think our safety is even more innovative. Glad you're liking it!

To others -- we have completely resolved our manufacturing issues and are back in stock. We're working now to get our products into stores, to give people a "try before you buy" option. We've also got a couple other cool things on the horizon. Thanks for all the support!
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We are running a sale this week starting today. I just thought I should let everyone know in case you had other rifles to outfit. This is probably the last sale before the June 30th deadline. You can find the info on our homepage. www.sparrowdynamics.com
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Personal favorites are the NCStarVAGPARCA featureless grip for $8.96 shipped:

https://extreemtactical.com/ncstar-v...e-compartment/

Best blend of reasonable cost w/ functional design, thumb shelf for effective weapon control and storage compartment.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trinity-BRA...72.m2749.l2649
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Personal favorites are the NCStarVAGPARCA featureless grip for $8.96 shipped:

https://extreemtactical.com/ncstar-v...e-compartment/

Best blend of reasonable cost w/ functional design, thumb shelf for effective weapon control and storage compartment.

Trinity BRAVO Featureless Compliance Fixed Position Rifle Stock ( fits Mil-spec buffer tubes) for $12.95 delivered:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trinity-BRA...72.m2749.l2649

Too bad the grip is for Right Hand users only and not ambidextrous.

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Personal favorites are the NCStarVAGPARCA featureless grip for $8.96 shipped:

https://extreemtactical.com/ncstar-v...e-compartment/

Best blend of reasonable cost w/ functional design, thumb shelf for effective weapon control and storage compartment.

Trinity BRAVO Featureless Compliance Fixed Position Rifle Stock ( fits Mil-spec buffer tubes) for $12.95 delivered:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trinity-BRA...72.m2749.l2649
Thanks for the links. Quick and cheap compliance until there is a better solution.
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We are running a sale this week starting today. I just thought I should let everyone know in case you had other rifles to outfit. This is probably the last sale before the June 30th deadline. You can find the info on our homepage. www.sparrowdynamics.com
Thanks to everyone for your support!

Also, don't forget to vote in the primary. It is important.

Either Firefox doesn't like your website or your Security Certificate has expired.


www.sparrowdynamics.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on Thursday, May 24, 2018, 9:38 AM. The current time is Thursday, May 24, 2018, 5:43 PM. Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE
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www.sparrowdynamics.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on Thursday, May 24, 2018, 9:38 AM. The current time is Thursday, May 24, 2018, 5:43 PM. Error code: SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE
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Our SSL Certificate expired. I renewed it yesterday, so it shouldn’t give you that error now (hopefully, but sometimes it takes a day or two to take affect).
It still shows up as expired as of a couple minutes ago. I tried on Chrome and Safari.
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It still shows up as expired as of a couple minutes ago. I tried on Chrome and Safari.

Yep, something still aint right. When I try to access my cart using Firefox, I get this message.


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got my Resurgent Arms grip yesterday :Feels realy nice like it alot> i will be ordering thier safty soon .. what the !@!$! i'll try anything once
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1. Are you free Saturday night?
2. Are you allergic to latex?
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THAT was in my 20's back in the 80's .. so you are a little late , But thanks for asking ....... And i did say " ONCE "
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THAT was in my 20's back in the 80's .. so you are a little late , But thanks for asking ....... And i did say " ONCE "

OMG.....too funny

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Old 05-26-2018, 12:35 PM
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Hey guys! I just finished writing and posting a product comparison for some of the featureless grips and ambi safeties I've tried out. It's not a full comparison of Mud Camper's comprehensive list, but I picked my three favorite setups and wrote my thoughts down about them. Check it out. Hope it helps some of you guys trying to decide on your featureless setup!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1437853


Thanks, WAD....went with Resurgent Arms grip and safety.....Griffin Armaments M4SD Linear Comp.....AIM Sports Stock Pin

One more bastard AR coming up :

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