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Old 09-22-2007, 10:06 PM
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Exclamation $20,000 bubba'ed K98

Damn . . .

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...?Item=80436632
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Did you look at the bid history? The both of em love K-98's their feedback for auctions won read like German history 101.
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ohhhhhhhhh god god. looks like gunbroker's going the way of e-puke now
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swjXE, it's a rare steyr bubbahed kar98

Probably worth lots if restored
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Me thinkem it was it mustem beenem latem nightem drunken fumblem fingersem.

I am sure gunbroker has rules like ebay where drunken finger bids placed late at night are not binding if proven to be well above asking and past historical winning auction prices.

None the less the fellow has another nice one, though the price seems to keep going up on these things. I seem to always be willing to pay last years price and always waiting for it to go down to last years price and with the exception of the current AR/AK feeding frenzy over the last 20 years, it never seems to go down to last years price. This might also explain why those AR's and AK's have multiplied like rabbits around the house and they now must share time in the gunsafe, or behind the bedroom door, or buried up in the attic, or disassembled and boxed and put into storage while my collection of other milsurp has suffered.

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Bubbaed meaning sporterized?
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Bubbaed meaning sporterized?
Yes.

Mauser collectors are an eccentric lot. No drunk bidding there. That is likely the only surviving rifle with that code. Shame it was sportered, but if the metal is authentic, it is very rare. Check out the seller's less than stellar feedback though.

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Only 300-400 K98s with that type of Steyr manufacturing stamp (swjXe) were made. They switched to 'BNZ' afterwards.

EDITED to be correct, I made the mistake earlier of confusing BYF with BNZ.
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Imagine what it would be worth unbutchered with all matching parts!!
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Only 300-400 K98s with that type of Steyr manufacturing stamp (swjXe) were made. They switched to 'Byf' afterwards.
byf is a Mauser Oberndorf code. To the best of my knowledge the only codes ever used (on K98s) by Steyr were "660" and "bnz".

The records of makers code that I have do not show either "swj" or "swjXE" being used on K98s. At some point between 42 and 45 "swj" was used on MG42s made by Steyer. I suppose towards the end, they didn't get too picky about this sort of thing, but it's still weird.

It is a late war rifle though as the "Mod 98" wasn't moved to the top of the receiver until early 45. Who made it still up in the air. Either way in my opinion, if it sold for 20G, someone got ripped off.

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Obviously the seller did not even know what he had as the only clue to the swjXE code was the one in the photo. He added a mention of the code later. Also his start price was only $279.

All his christmases must have came at once.
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byf is a Mauser Oberndorf code. To the best of my knowledge the only codes ever used (on K98s) by Steyr were "660" and "bnz".

The records of makers code that I have do not show either "swj" or "swjXE" being used on K98s. At some point between 42 and 45 "swj" was used on MG42s made by Steyer. I suppose towards the end, they didn't get too picky about this sort of thing, but it's still weird.

It is a late war rifle though as the "Mod 98" wasn't moved to the top of the receiver until early 45. Who made it still up in the air. Either way in my opinion, if it sold for 20G, someone got ripped off.
Slip of the tongue. Too much **** going on in my head. Good catch.

BNZ, not BYF!

Here's what I found:

http://latewar.com/html/weapons.html

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Still up in the air, but could be the real deal.
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Slip of the tongue. Too much **** going on in my head. Good catch.

BNZ, not BYF!

Here's what I found:

http://latewar.com/html/weapons.html

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Still up in the air, but could be the real deal.
No problem. I was doing the same thing trying to look up the SWJ, getting it mixed up with the other SW*'s.

It could be real, the WAa 623 is stamped on the barrel by the Ser no, but he doesn't show the ser no. on the receiver. Steyer was one of the few that was very good about matching them.

I don't think I would spend that much on it, real or not.
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The seller from Eagle Idaho is a known humper. That being said, the rifle he sold was a very rare bubba'd 98K.

There are threads on this sale on both the K98 Forum on Gunboards and the G/K43 Forum. The buyer knew what he was doing.

http://www.gk43forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3202

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=3077

I wish I had that kind of disposable income.

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a humper is someone who passes off renumbered rifles as authentic.

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wow....even though it was sporterized its still able to legitimately fetch 20k?
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I have to wonder if it isn't a setup... Like the first year sks that went for $1400.
Ppls go nuts in auctions. The object is still worth base price. Bubba firearm is $200 max. Is the buyer going to remake it into a facsimile of a real gun from that production run? Another problem is with the japanese type 99 weapons. Ground blum mean asenal never put into service. Except the grinding practice stopped in 1946. So many blums are? Some blum dies are still around for $1000. So is u'rs ground ans stuck again? Is it a field capture? Nobody knows. My 99 is ground at the arsenal when the gi picked it up for free. Its a never issued weapon and only proofed. Paper work rules!
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You are right about some people getting dies made and restamping things. Heck, even Numrich arms sells a waffenampt, and a german stock acceptance stamp. And of course number stamps are readily available.

As to the mum issue on Japanese rifles. The mums were ground off or defaced after the surrender of Japan when the weapons were turned in to the Americans. This was a dispensation allowed by McArthur because the Japanese considered the mum as the symbol of the emperor, who they regarded as a diety. So it was sort of like giving up a rifle with the mum intact was worse than surrendering.

That's why everyone wants a rifle with the mum intact. Assumming it's real, it it most likely a vet bringback from the battlefield.
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Some blum dies are still around for $1000. So is u'rs ground ans stuck again? Is it a field capture? Nobody knows.
I worked with dies for 12 years and can make anything u need..I won't. But there are others that will. So be it.
There's at least one guy out there who will sell you any or all of the aresnal dies ever used to stamp Garand stocks throughout their entire production. Or for a lesser fee he'll mark any stock you send him with whatever stamp(s) you want. Makes you wonder how many conterfeits are being passed off as the real deal.
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Ok, Noob question here.

I actually inhereted my jap rifle from my Grandfather. He brought it back, I have the papers. Mum is intact, but he had someone rechamber to it 30-06, because he said 30-06 was easier to find and shoot. With that short stock, with metal butt plate, I have been to afraid to fire it.

So, how do I find out what it's worth?
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late model = crappy tooling. This guy is a loon.
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Ok, Noob question here.

I actually inhereted my jap rifle from my Grandfather. He brought it back, I have the papers. Mum is intact, but he had someone rechamber to it 30-06, because he said 30-06 was easier to find and shoot. With that short stock, with metal butt plate, I have been to afraid to fire it.

So, how do I find out what it's worth?
Rechambered mod'ed stock Arisakas don't go for anything near the mint rifles, and the mint rifles don't go for much anyway. There are a few on gun broker right now, just search for "Arisaka".
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late model = crappy tooling. This guy is a loon.
Oh really? So you know for a fact that every a model has crappy tooling? And that every facility producing these guns made at the end of the war had crappy tooling. WOW I guess all Mauser collectors should ask your opinion prior to making a purchase.
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You are right about some people getting dies made and restamping things. Heck, even Numrich arms sells a waffenampt, and a german stock acceptance stamp. And of course number stamps are readily available.

As to the mum issue on Japanese rifles. The mums were ground off or defaced after the surrender of Japan when the weapons were turned in to the Americans. This was a dispensation allowed by McArthur because the Japanese considered the mum as the symbol of the emperor, who they regarded as a diety. So it was sort of like giving up a rifle with the mum intact was worse than surrendering.

That's why everyone wants a rifle with the mum intact. Assumming it's real, it it most likely a vet bringback from the battlefield.
FYI, savy collectors know what renumbering looks like. Colt 1911's are the most likely to be renumber. There is a well known rip-off artist in the OC/LA area that has been doing this very successfully for years.
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Ok, Noob question here.

I actually inhereted my jap rifle from my Grandfather. He brought it back, I have the papers. Mum is intact, but he had someone rechamber to it 30-06, because he said 30-06 was easier to find and shoot. With that short stock, with metal butt plate, I have been to afraid to fire it.

So, how do I find out what it's worth?
$100 if you're lucky

a modified bolt is enough to make a $300 arisaka go to $150
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$100 is $50 more than what I thought it was worth!

Even if it was $500 or $5000, could never get rid of because it was my Grandfather's, who served in USMC in WWII, "captured it" and brought it back.

Thanks for the info.
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FYI, savy collectors know what renumbering looks like. Colt 1911's are the most likely to be renumber. There is a well known rip-off artist in the OC/LA area that has been doing this very successfully for years.
Oh I know. And when you point out the fakery, they always have the same excuse. "Well yes, that's the way is was normally done, but this was a special thing only done every other Tuesday during the last phase of the moon in 1943," or they just tell you don't know what your talking about.
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