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Old 01-04-2014, 11:56 PM
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Default $99 Classic Mosin Nagants: The Good And The Bad

I ordered 2 of the Molot Grade B Mosins from Classic around Christmas time. I paid the $10 more for hand select. I figured having a couple beater shooters for the desert couldn't hurt. They arrived securely packaged in the Molot packing boxes which are much better than some past shipments where the rifle is loose in an oversized box with the bolt handle ripped through the side. Both rifles are wartime ('42 and "45) Ishevsk.

My appraisal of these rifles is mixed. Both were all matching except for mag plate force matching. Neither were counterbored. So far so good. One has a blonde stock in excellent shape with no repairs and nice escutcheons. However it had lots of scratches and the finish was peeling off. The other is more of a mottled red stock with one small repair near the nose and missing the escutcheons entirely. Both rifles had small areas of extremely minor surface rust which came off easily. Thankfully there was no pitting or damage.

The rifles were not in cosmoline. They were sort of dirty though with a super musty smell. I did a complete tear down on both rifles and all the internals looked great. The metal parts soaked overnight in mineral spirits.

The mottled red stock looked pretty good so i just wiped it down. The other stock was stripped of the varnish and recoated with 10 coats of Tung oil. I am frankly not worried about devaluing a $99 rifle and I really like the blonde natural grain. I have been pleased with my amateur refinishing jobs on other rifles so that was that.

When I got the rifles back together the refinished one looked and functioned great. It is a total keeper. The red one has an issue where the trigger is not resetting consistently. You can also (sometimes) pull the bolt back and it releases from the receiver without the trigger being pressed.

I looked at everything closely and nothing appears to be missing. Using a different bolt I replicated the problem so the problem is in the trigger assembly somewhere I guess. The trigger can be manually reset to get it to fire but it does not reset about 1/2 the time. There is no cosmoline or gunk in the receiver anywhere, so I am unsure what is the problem.

Anyway, here are some pics. The blondie was refinished and works great. The red one has the trigger issue.

Any suggestions or remedies for the above problem are earnestly appreciated.





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Old 01-05-2014, 12:11 AM
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That blonde looks terrific!
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The red stock is wartime production. That is why there is no metal. Nice rifles.
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The red stock is wartime production. That is why there is no metal. Nice rifles.
The front should have a small one if I recall
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Old 01-05-2014, 6:12 AM
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I bet you dropped the trigger pivot pin while putting the Acton back in the stock. Take a look and see if it is missing.

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Nice looking Mosins, Bobby. The one you bubba'd, er, refinished, turned out great. Well done.

I bought one of these Molot refurbs too, right before the usurpation of our C&R rights by CA lawmakers. $99 plus $10 for hand select. Wood and metal great. Nice bore (not counterbored). Moderate to little cosmo. Nice Molot shipping box.

Took it up to the Glass Factory a couple of weeks ago, great shooter! Butter smooth bolt. Very accurate. I only wish I had ordered a couple more.

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my blond 1944 TULA PU is also a beautiful blond like the one you have. i used flaxseed oil from a health food store. some stocks just beg to be naked.
sorry i do not have helpful info on the problem you are having.
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Bobby that trigger issue might be a missing trigger pivot pin or a bent sear/sear spring. The trigger pivot pin is, well, the pin that holds the trigger in place. The sear is the flat piece of metal with the square piece that engages the bolt cocking piece.
Take the action out of the stock. Remove the bolt. Looking at the trigger assy from the side, work the trigger. You should see the top of the trigger pulling down on the sear spring and lowering the sear (square piece that engages the bolt cocking piece).

If no parts are missing then the sear might be bent or out of spec.
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I had a reset and trigger going off with too little pressure issue with my Hungarian M44. A new trigger assembly from Liberty Tree Collectors fixed it easily and quickly. Worth it, don't mess with Mosin triggers, replace them.
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Thanks to all for the helpful advice. Having misplaced trigger pivot pins in the past, I made sure those were there when I reassembled the rifle, so I guess that means the issue is with the sear. If this was 2013, I would just be lazy and sell the rifle off at a loss and go get another one. However now it is a PITA to deal with selling a rifle to someone else when I haven't even sent in the paperwork and fee to register it to myself yet. So I will take it apart again and see how the sear looks. If it isn't easy I will take the advice and get a new trigger assembly. Thanks again everyone for the advice.
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A guy I know had the same problem and the issue turned out to be a broken sear spring. A replacement sear spring fixed the problem.

BTW, congrats! You have a pair of nice looking rifles.
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I want to again thank everyone who posted suggestions on the malfunctioning Mosin. The problem turned out to be nothing more than a loose sear screw. I removed it, cleaned out the area thoroughly, put a dab of blue loctite, and tightened it down. Voila! The trigger reset, bolt, and everything else is in perfect working order.

The only thing that got me thinking is that I have NEVER messed with that screw in at least a dozen other MN's I have owned and all of them have been 100% reliable without exception. I guess this is one additional pre-flight check to make on new Mosins.
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Always nice to just discover it is just something loose. Easy fixes are the best. I have had my Mosins become loose in the stock, the whole action slopping around. Tightened it down and the rifle became (Mosin) accurate again. I like the blonde, she is a looker. Ironic, blonde women do nothing for me but blonde guns are hot!
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Ugh, now i want a blonde to go with all my red heads. Very nice looking
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Always nice to just discover it is just something loose. Easy fixes are the best. I have had my Mosins become loose in the stock, the whole action slopping around. Tightened it down and the rifle became (Mosin) accurate again. I like the blonde, she is a looker. Ironic, blonde women do nothing for me but blonde guns are hot!
I have had a few Mosins that perceptibly shift in the stock when you pull the trigger. I make it a habit now to use a bit of loctite on the top and bottom receiver screws during reassembly.
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Ugh, now i want a blonde to go with all my red heads. Very nice looking
Citristrip + Tung Oil = Blonde.

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1945? That's a pretty rare year for 91/30s.
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I have had many many rare Mosins, but never a 45. By 45 they produced very few long rifles anymore. If it is a 45, you did very well, and can probably triple your money on GunBroker if you want to sell it.
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My mistake, it was just a poorly struck 3 that looked like a 5.
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Thanks to all for the helpful advice. Having misplaced trigger pivot pins in the past, I made sure those were there when I reassembled the rifle, so I guess that means the issue is with the sear. If this was 2013, I would just be lazy and sell the rifle off at a loss and go get another one. However now it is a PITA to deal with selling a rifle to someone else when I haven't even sent in the paperwork and fee to register it to myself yet. So I will take it apart again and see how the sear looks. If it isn't easy I will take the advice and get a new trigger assembly. Thanks again everyone for the advice.
i will buy it off you if you cut the receiver to the point that it doesn't qualify as a firearm. i would like to build a pistol bolt action mosin project. let me know...
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i will buy it off you if you cut the receiver to the point that it doesn't qualify as a firearm. i would like to build a pistol bolt action mosin project. let me know...
Uh oh...take it easy on him Bobby haha
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