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And after a quick note from Ben, here is the letter where Alison Merrilees gave up.
A couple of notes on this. First, her pet theory to cover her behind was that Ben was an FFL without a license. That's a laughable position since there was always an FFL involved and her logic would make every credit card issuer and processor and FFL too... The ATF letter she refers to was TMLLP calling ATF, explaining the situation, and after getting a long line of laughter from ATF, getting a promise from the ATF guy that he'd document that the ATF didn't consider Ben to be doing anything wrong but would ask him not to do it again. So, here is Alison not quite wanting to give up, but folding nonetheless: http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/mil...-to-Cannon.pdf And that is the story. -Gene
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She is a looser and she lost big. People like her are always looking for .gov jobs and thats why I didnt go there when I left the Marine Corps. I like to spend my days with type "A" folks not blue falcons.
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Thanks Gene. I was going to ask about the story but figured it'd come out in time.
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So what is the Iggister going to do with all that space in his trophy cabinet how he had to give them back?
Does Alison still have a job at the BoF? Wow. |
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What a dream team (you and all the people listed above)! |
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I am glad you guys got them back. They were takenn a few months before I moved out of state.
If any of you want to sell one let me know, I believe atleast one NEEDS to be made into a real AR. I could always take pic's after its done and mail them to Allison. Congrats again guys |
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Nice work, Gene. Nothing makes me happier than to see these BOF folks out-worked on their home turf by much more meticulous (pro-gun) minds. As you say, freedom is "free as in free speech" not "free as in free beer". It takes work, money, and persistence.
Congratulations - and I'm looking forward to what you guys have in store for 2008! --Neill |
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Congrats Guys!
Second piece of good news this week.
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I say we do another "Evil But Legal" T-shirt of some sort to commemorate. Mine is stained and getting worn through. It's been my favorite shirt for 2 yrs now!
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That cave in letter from Alison reads just like my letter. Lots of what could happen and nothing solid. These guys live off of fear. How sad.
I would respect the BoF so much more if they would just relax and treat people with respect. You don't have to screw with people, just say what you are going to do and do it. If you are not going to do anything, don't say anything. Speak softly and carry a big stick.
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But her letter is priceless.
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Wait a second...this makes no sense....
Everyone knows CA gun owners just bend over and take it... Jokes aside, great work! Amazing things can happen when you have the law on your side.
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For some reason, I keep expecting Alison to chime in on this thread.
Two victories in December. It's beginning to feel alot like some non-denominational winter solstice holiday! And as mentioned before, things happen in Threes..... Is it possible that we have another victory in the wings? Are certain Deputies at the AG starting to wonder if Law School was a waste of money?
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Amazing... wasn't expecting to see this today! Awesome job guys fighting the good fight to get these back!
Hey Ben, it might be a good idea that if you still have the e-mail addresses of all of those who bought these, to send a mass message to them in case they don't frequent this site anymore. Just a thought. Thanks again for all your hard work you guys!!! |
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I think they're going to always be in a state of denial even as losses against us 'common folk' continue to rack up.
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I've got several Evil But Legal shirts still kicking around in my garage.
How about a new shirt, with Alison's offer of non-prosecution in exchange for destruction of all 219 lowers? I wish I had a written response, but I simply told Chuck: "You can tell her to shove that offer directly up her ***."
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Congrats to all who made this happen; you guys are doing a fantastic job - showing the rest of us; that all is not lost!
-M3
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I thought they were Laurers (sp)
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There is actually a mix of brands in the pile.
-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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FEB-2007:
- DOJ claimed Ben Cannon was in the business of selling firearms (false!) http://cdglobal.net/gun/NRA%20SLC_C_...achment)-1.pdf MARCH-2007: - DOJ drafts a non-prosecute and destroy "civil settlement." (AFTER trying and failing to prosecute me in 3 jurisdictions.) http://cdglobal.net/gun/Cannon%20Dra...greement-1.pdf (I told them to shove it where the sun does not shine.) SEP-2007: - DOJ Folds. http://cdglobal.net/gun/DOJ-siezed-lowers-return.pdf DEC-2007: - Details on pickup and exactly who has possession settled, lowers picked up, angels sing!
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- Ben Cannon. Chairman, CEO - GPal, Inc.™ CoFounder - GeoVario™, LLC. - the hosting company that brings you Calguns™ Postings are my own, and are not formal positions of any other entity, or legal advice. Last edited by artherd; 12-21-2007 at 11:23 AM.. |
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Alison is such a doofus. She coined the new term "straw dealer!" The only problem is that the dealer is in fact an actual dealer...
Who needs to be constrained by the law when you have Deputy AG in your title. Kinda funny how we have our guns back and she is worried about covering her behind. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Straw dealer.. what a load of crap. I wonder if she consulted the LCAV to generate that nonsense phrase for her.
These letters make me angry. Those four receivers are my property, they were seized from my FFL while I was in the 10 day waiting period, and I wrote letters to the DOJ demanding my property back. Then she offers Ben the opportunity to destroy my property. I'm glad he didn't take the chance. What a crock. There is a certain DDA that doesn't understand federal and state firearms laws and should be fired. The whole claim is ridiculous on the face of it, if you just read the law excerpts she puts on the first page of the letter. They clearly do not apply to the facts of this case. DUH. |
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1911,
You'll note that Don and I explained that to her pretty forcefully. She knew that when I sued her I would be deemed to have title to the firearms. It actually points out an interesting loophole. On the face of California law, a court or LEA could be forced to turn a gun seized from an FFL before a 4473 directly to an actual owner without creating a 4473. -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Yes that is an interesting "loophole" (or I would call it, a "legislative deficiency". Our firearms laws are so complex and poorly architected that there are numerous deficiencies that show up all the time. The whole "DROS" system really runs counter to common law and property rights, so when you have a corner case such as this, it stresses the written conditions a bit, and we rely on common sense to get us through. The trust that we put in our government, and specifically the executive branch is that they will fairly enforce laws and give citizens the benefit of the doubt and treat us fairly. Clearly there is something wrong here. I'm going to read your documents next.. I'm sure it will be good entertainment. |
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