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Rimfire Firearms .22, .17 and other Rimfire Handguns and Rifles |
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What feaures or combination of feaures are illegal on a rimfire rifle?
I have a ruger 10/22 which I decided to tacticool. It wasn't my original plan, I never thought of doing any changes on it. It all started when I added a millet red dot. Six months later and out of the blue I purcased a ATI Strikeforce Scorpion stock. I though it would end there until I went shooting and noticed my hand would start to slip when sweaty on the handguard due to lack of any real texture. I now want to add a foward pistol grip. The only so called evil features are the pistol grip and the folding stock. Would it be okay to add the extra grip?
I know about the length requirement when folded and my 10/22 measures 26 and a quarter inches when folded. If it is legal and perfectly ok, are most LE aware that rimfires are excempt from evil feature laws? I had a scare sometime back when some idiot ranger(have say it how it is) seemed bent on my 870 being illegal because of a collapsible stock and pistol grip and that my sks's were also illegal because of their folding bayonets. I was polite and explained to him my limited knowledge on the law and luckily a sheriff roled by and backed up what I was saying. |
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CA's AW laws do not apply to rimfire rifles. All you have to do is meet federal barrel length(16"), and CA OAL(26" from it's shortest fireable configuration). The ranger complaining about the SKS and 870 was indeed an idiot. |
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According to the CalGuns FAQ:
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Last edited by whiskeyhotel; 02-05-2013 at 1:18 PM.. Reason: corrected text to read CalGuns FAQ instead of Wiki |
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Which has nothing to do with the AW laws. The AW laws and magazine laws are two separate issues. It's just that the AW laws include the use of a large capacity fixed magazine in a centerfire semi auto rifle(and pistol if I remember correctly), a rimfire rifle is not a semi auto centerfire rifle.
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Your 15-22 did not come up a 25 round magazine because it is illegal to import, manufacture, sell, etc. It is not illegal for you to use a 25 round magazine with your 15-22. Please go read the penal codes as listed in the FAQ you referenced. The only time it is illegal to use a large capacity magazine in a rifle, is if it is a fixed magazine on a semi auto centerfire rifle. Your 15-22 is not a semi auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine. edit: I'll save us all the trouble. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/La...e_restrictions Nowhere is use or simply possession restricted. You are confusing the high capacity magazine law with this: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/No...able_magazines and that does not apply to rimfire rifles. Last edited by Merc1138; 02-05-2013 at 1:38 PM.. |
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Merc is technically right. The key words in his first post:
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This is why its easier just post the actual laws: Quote:
Also note the exemption under (B) ".22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device" This is often misrepresented by people claim rimfire is exempt, or state "Rimfire tube magazines are exempt" Note that the PC lacks the term rimfire it states .22 caliber. Quote:
12020 The PC that deals with "Large Capacity Magazines" (Like Merc said) is not Part of the AWB and is a separate issue. Under 12276.1 Rimfire Rifles are not mentioned and therefore are not subject to "evil features" Nor are they limited to 10 rounds by definition like semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a fixed magazine. Nor are they mentioned under the need to be 30 OAL. So therefore they default to Federal barrel and OAL length limits: 16" and 26". It is important to note though that under Semiautomatic Pistols it does not say centerfire like the rifle sections do, so it applies to semiautomatic rimfire pistols as well. (Ruger charger for example) Last edited by Chaos47; 02-05-2013 at 1:49 PM.. |
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There is no such thing as pre/post ban magazines in CA either.
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There is a lot of people who send their rifles to S&W for repair and got back a free 25 round mag with their rifle like a friend of mine. If you somehow go home and find a high cap mag magically sitting in your safe you have not broken any laws. Personally, I wouldn't bother using a high cap mag in my 15-22, not worth the potential hassles, but if someone does use one and get questioned by a LEO, they need to STFU and get a lawyer because possesion requires the burden of proof of aquisition, and no better proof that a running mouth.
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To my understanding, military members on Permanent Change of Station (PCS) orders are exempt from being considered an importer of firearms. That's what allows service members to bring their personally owned firearms (baring any outlawed features, etc). If that is true, could they "import" BX-25's from out of state and keep them for personal use?
I don't plan on doing this, just trying to figure out the mess if the California system. I walked into a sporting goods store this week in Wisconsin and walked out with a new Savage Mk II thirty minutes later, so all these restrictions are confusing. |
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Anyone can bring a magazine into this state if it is disassembled into a magazine rebuild kit. Putting it back together in state would be illegal unless they are rebuilding a legally owned "large-capacity" magazine and do not end up with any more then they started. |
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That doesn't stop people from doing do. But it is technically illegal. Likewise, when PCSing with firearms, you're not importing because you're moving. You're supposed to fill out the DOJ form for off roster handguns, I'm not sure about any other paperwork. You can't bring listed assault weapons like the AR-15s so most people strip the lower and sell it out of state before moving, then buy a stripped ca lower. I believe >10 mags must be disassembled but I'm not positive.
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Ahh, gotcha. Thankfully, I am PCS'ing out if California. I'm only here for school before reporting back to Wisconsin. Would someone need to fill out anything if there firearm us on the safe roster? I think I'm safe either way because I am only here for four months.
Sorry for getting off topic.. |
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Incorrect... You can use a 100rd mag in a .22LR as long as you legally acquired the mag.
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Are you absolutly sure ? I have a fire arm magazine( rebuild kit) that has a date on it that says its pre-ban date , also says " For Law Enforcement Only ". It is a standard capacity magazine for a Double Stack 45 ACP.
With the magazine ban the company started putting the date on them as well as the other aforementioned info. I also have a few Magazine Rebuild kits for a 10/22 that have a date stamped ( actually molded into) on them. If there are no preban magazines in CA how come they come with a date that makes them "post-ban""?
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Read the PC, follow the PC. Do not add your own ideas to the PC, don't add silly gunshop FUD to the PC. Quote:
Maybe you're confusing CA PC with the expired federal pre/post ban nonsense that doesn't matter anymore? edit: I don't get why this is still such a highly questioned topic, considering how amazingly crystal clear the PC is(which is a rarity for a place like CA). If something is not stated to be illegal, then it is legal. Last edited by Merc1138; 04-05-2013 at 3:05 PM.. |
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There is no such thing as pre/post ban magazines in CA either. This is a statement that speaks of absolutes, Read: There is no such thing as pre/post ban magazines in CA So you are telling people that there is no type of magazine banned in CA ? If so you are spreading FUD. There was no mention that I made as to the legality of possession , the magazines I spoke of do have a pre/post date on them which would make them pre/post ban Magazines. And they are in CA , hence there are pre/post ban magazines in CA. Follow the logic of your statements as absolutes , which they were. Stop passing FUD, or stop talking/writing/posting in absolutes that mislead people .
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Manufacturing, selling, importing, lending, and exposing for sale are not the same as possession and use. I'm using absolutes because it is absolute. It doesn't matter what date is marked on your magazine in CA, as it is meaningless. If you are in a state that restricts magazine possession and/or use based on a date stamp, then it would matter. CA is not one of those states. Also, if the date stamp was for the federal ban, that's been over for years now and is again irrelevant. The only way that the date is relevant, is that if the state managed to prove that you imported or manufactured it within the past 3 years(statute of limitations), which would be incredibly difficult for them to do unless you made it extremely obvious that you did so. Other states have requirements for the manufacture date of magazines with regards to possession and/or use, CA does not. BTW, try learning what "FUD" means, since I am not spreading fear, doubt, or uncertainty considering how many times the PC has been referred to already in this thread. Last edited by Merc1138; 04-05-2013 at 3:56 PM.. |
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I NEVER said possession was illegal , I commented on the statement you made " THERE ARE NO PRE/POST MAGAZINES IN CA." I then stated a FACT, There are Pre/post ban magazines ( wither or not the ban is in effect or not, They can still be pre/post magazines) You need to carefully read and then try to understand what has been said , especially what came off your tongue/fingers. And since you believe there is not currently a ban on " standard" capacity magazines in CA and have not said as much , you only mentioned that the past Fed ban was no longer in effect , then you spreading either a LIE or FUD because you can not purchase/lend( with exceptions)/manufacture/import anything that holds more than 10 rounds in CA. In fact the are listed and can be taken as a nuisance ( Right?) Get a grip and try reading WHAT I POSTED , NOT WHAT YOU THINK I POSTED
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The state of California, does not give a crap about whether or not your magazines are "pre" or "post" ban, because the California penal code has no specification of "pre" or "post" ban. Again, there is no ban on possession and use(AW laws aside, but we're in the rimfire section talking about a rifle). The only ban is on the import, manufacture, sale, exposing for sale, blah blah blah. How many times does this need to be repeated for you to get it through your head? You can claim that your magazines are post/pre/compost/whatever, but it makes NO difference in CA with regards to possession and use. I have no issue reading the nonsense you keep posting. Read the penal code exactly as it is written in plain English, it's that simple. edit: Are you seriously trying to argue the semantics of having a post federal ban magazine in CA as being "post ban" when the rest of us were talking about the legality of it and not the silly semantics? Wow, I guess I got trolled.... can't even try to serious discuss the legalities of things in CA and not some irrelevant semantics regarding a ban that doesn't even exist anymore. Was your goal to just post nonsense and try to confuse as many people as possible? Congratulations, you succeeded. Hopefully people will ignore your nonsense and just read the PC. Last edited by Merc1138; 04-05-2013 at 5:04 PM.. |
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"preban" and "post ban" are political buzzwords in the same vein as "assault weapon" "common sense" and "meaningful regulation." They're meant to illicit an emotional response like the one you're having right now. You say there is a ban on standard capacity magazines, stating you cannot import manufacture or sell them. However this is the very definition of the FUD which you are accusing him or spreading. The law clearly states what is illegal, and possession is not on that list. Dates stamped on any magazine parts do not make the magazine "preban" in any way. How is a magazine with a date on it legally accounted for? Now, legally owned 10+ mags can be misused, and when use improperly they can be nuisance items. But if you're using a lawfully acquired 10+ mag, in a lawful manner, and you surrender it to LEOs without contest, you're already relinquishing the tenuous rights we are currently clinging to. Blatant violations of the 4th amendment happen daily because of the FUD that You, sir, are spreading.
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This is a no-go for your 10/22(s).
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Why must so many thoughtful and inquisitive posts from an OP degenerate in to a s&*t-storm between two contributors who feel the need to pee on one another while the rest of us watch, hoping to learn something from the original post?
Growing up in NY, the proper term is 'take it outside'. PM, email, whatever but no one is benefitting by such wanton snits between two all-knowing-wannabe's. B |
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Sorry to say it but this happens nearly every time someone asks a question about what's legal and what's not here in CA. Some folks just gotta have the last word even if it has nothing to do with the original question. Sad but true.
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I'm sure this has been covered ad nauseum. Anybody run a search??? This topic seems to come up at least once a week.
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This is the same as the question on whether you can install a feed ramp to run AK mags in an unconverted Saiga. Some say yes, some say no. I recommend being on the safe side. Do you want to be the test case?
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-From my experience, so please no civilians saying I am wrong. Thanks in advance.
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If you blocked those mags to 10rd would it be ok?? does crank fired count as semi auto?
on a side note i love to watch people argue over the whole preban/postban mag thing. i dont know why but it makes me giggle. riddle me this...Your PREBAN mag gets crushed by a horse so you rebuild it with a body marked "LE ONLY" yet its still PREBAN. |
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