Mosin Nagant, I kind of get it but not really?

[C&Rtrader]

Originally Posted by a1c

Because I'd rather have ten no drama easygoing girls-next-door than one drama high maintenance beauty queen.

^^- This may be one of the best responses I have seen. Hilarious. Well done

[Stalin321]

seems like we have a hater that been sipping on some hateraid. you no like russian history, then move on to your FALS.

you don't see me posting up a thread on how much i don't understand FAL's....

everyone's taste is different. or we would all have FAL's

[sixersgo]

I wonder when there going to put an episode of hoarding of some random calgunner with 1000 nagants

[bbguns44]

"When I collect something I go for items with inherent value "

Big 5 used to sell Mosins for $70-$75. Now they're $100. How about
that for appreciation ?

[cruddymutt]

I am at 9 Mosins. 3 snipers, 3 Finns, 1 m91, and 2 91/30s. Non are run of the mill. I have the ONLY 1938 Tula round receiver with that particular serial number

[Cuerno_de_Chivo]

I only have a 1932 Mosin and i love it. I usually just buy 20 rounds and shoot those one by one at the range but it is the most powerful rifle i have. I just LOVE the 7.62x54r! Plus they go BOOM! Mine is dead on accurate and last time i went to the range, i shot at the steel targets they have there AND IT KNOCKED IT DOWN! Hahahah i was like oh damn! I would buy a couple, but i wouldnt collect them. I'd only collect one type of firearm and that'd be AKs or some older revolvers.

[Milsurp Collector]

In fairness to Wash, he sees why people have Mosins, he didn't say there was no good reason to own them, he was just wondering why some people accumulate more than 4 or 5 of basically the same type of rifle in terms of rarity and value. He asked the same question several different ways and I think it is a reasonable question.

Originally Posted by wash

I can understand people collecting snipers, Finns, carbines, Remingtons, Westinghouse, and some of the oddities but why get excited by a run of the mill Russian Mosin?

I like the idea of having a crate or two sleeping in Cosmoline, but why have more than a few shooters?

So, why have 10 Mosin shooters if they are round receiver Russians with import marks, counterbored muzzles, poor triggers and stocks that rival the quality of a $19.95 Chinese pellet rifle?

p.s. I totally understand 4 or 5 shooters, it's just #6, #7, #8, etcetera that I have trouble with. I understand safe queens too but unless you get really lucky, a $99 Big5 Mosin doesn't really qualify for safe queen.

Next week on Hoarders





Now you know where all the Mosin carbines disappeared to.

(P.S. not my safes, I have only one M38 and one M44).

[wash]

Originally Posted by bbguns44

"When I collect something I go for items with inherent value "

Big 5 used to sell Mosins for $70-$75. Now they're $100. How about
that for appreciation ?

There is no hate here, unless you're calling my FAL a piece of junk.

I like FALs and posted a little FAL porn.

Mosins are cool too, they just don't have enough curves for me or something.

[Noonanda]

Originally Posted by wash

There is no hate here, unless you're calling my FAL a piece of junk.

I like FALs and posted a little FAL porn.

Mosins are cool too, they just don't have enough curves for me or something.

Well FALS have plastic on em, I like my guns with wood.

You need to understand that to each his own. While you may think the FAL is all that and a bag of chips, I dont.

I know my mosin collection will never be complete, but that doesnt bother me. Just like your FAL collection will never be complete due to lack of Inch pattern FALS. Its something we all deal with in our own way.

[Army GI]

Originally Posted by a1c

You are taking issue with this simply because you have your own, very personal, definition of what a "collection" should be, and I called you on it, because you failed to realize it's personal to you.

You seem to believe that a collection has to have some sort of goal, and has to aim for completeness (which is not true of most collections).

That's your definition, but that's not the definition of a collection. A collection is just that... A collection of items. Not a complete, definitive, exhaustive list of every item ever made in a given category.

Even people collecting stamps know their collections will never be finite. Even if you own every possible new and stamped version of every stamp ever printed in, let's say, the US, there always are rare variations, accidental printings, cancellations, combinations, stampings, and so on. A collection is never complete. Ever.

Mosins offer that diversity that many Mosin collectors love. To you, it's pointless because of the sheer vastness of possibilities. But that's exactly what makes it fun to some of us. Yes, we know no Mosin collection will ever be complete. And we don't care. It's about the quest, not the destination.

This.

Thread = over.

Shut 'er down, boys.

[Paulie Lugnuts]

Because this guy shot one!

[mauser98k]

Originally Posted by wash

They say you can buy an AK47 in Africa for about $50.

a Mosin is more powerful, can shoot farther and can outlast an AK.

[wash]

I like wood too, my Imbel has a nice Ironwood Designs furniture set, it will have zero plastic on it which is one pistol grip better than the Izzy Hbar I posted above.

My G1 doesn't have any plastic either.

My Argentine does have a plastic pistol grip and handguard, but it's a Para designed for jumping out of airplanes, it needs something a bit tougher.

[Lucky Scott]

They make me happy.........Nuff said!

[plumbum]

Originally Posted by Milsurp Collector

Now you know where all the Mosin carbines disappeared to.

(P.S. not my safes, I have only one M38 and one M44).

Oh my... that pic makes me feel all kinds of things!

[17+1]

Originally Posted by sixersgo

Ive seen a video were a guy bought 2 crates of them for like 2k something. He said he would hand them all out to neighbors on his block in time of need. Hes got like 10 crates of surplus just sitting. I wish he was my neighbor man.

Nothing says responsible like giving untrained people firearms and expecting anything but poor results. They'd be more dangerous to one another than any threat...

I'd take a trained rifleman with his FAL over a block-party of soccer moms toting Mosin Nagants (or any rifle for that matter).

[DennisCA]

wash:
A couple of questions:
Has a $19.95 Chinese pellet rifle ever won as war?
Do realize that with the Mosin-Nagant,Stalingrad would had probably had fallen to the Germans?
Do you realize how many Mosin"s were built?

I'll answer the last one for you: A TON OF THE THEM!
So you will bad ones once and ahwile.
These guns have a bunch of history to them and yes they are cheap,(at least of now) so is the ammo.

I hope this and the other comments help you see the light!

[dls]

My collection.
An early 60's bubba my grandpa was given in the late 60s which he never fired. It was wrapped up and un-fired until 2009.
They balance it a bit as you can see by the stock,it's a straight shooter,but it's a beast.
Unverified history, A biathlon rifle.

[Vlad 11]

[sixersgo]

whats not to like...

[hypnoman]

Originally Posted by wash

I have nothing against them, they are a bit funky When I collect something I go for items with inherent value and I try to focus my collection enough so that I have a chance of attaining some sort of completeness.

So, why have 10 Mosin shooters if they are round receiver Russians with import marks, counterbored muzzles, poor triggers and stocks that rival the quality of a $19.95 Chinese pellet rifle?

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here but if you've got a safe or cabinet stuffed to the gills with Mosins that you actually shoot, I would like to understand why.

It's an addiction!

[wash]

Originally Posted by DennisCA

wash:
A couple of questions:
Has a $19.95 Chinese pellet rifle ever won as war?
Do realize that with the Mosin-Nagant,Stalingrad would had probably had fallen to the Germans?
Do you realize how many Mosin"s were built?

I'll answer the last one for you: A TON OF THE THEM!
So you will bad ones once and ahwile.
These guns have a bunch of history to them and yes they are cheap,(at least of now) so is the ammo.

I hope this and the other comments help you see the light!

I'm just pointing out that some Mosins are rather crudely finished.

I understand that it is part of their charm. I can have a lot of fun with a $20 Chinese pellet rifle too, I just wouldn't buy more than a couple unless I planned to give them away as presents or something (which I have done coincidentally...).

I kind of understand the safes full of Mosin carbines although I think he might have spent more on the two safes than the actual Mosins.

I just found a Finn M39 that I'm going to buy, my second Mosin but I doubt I'll ever get beyond maybe four and I don't think I'll ever get a round receiver Mosin.

[Cuerno_de_Chivo]

Originally Posted by wash

I'm just pointing out that some Mosins are rather crudely finished.

I understand that it is part of their charm. I can have a lot of fun with a $20 Chinese pellet rifle too, I just wouldn't buy more than a couple unless I planned to give them away as presents or something (which I have done coincidentally...).

That's just your opinion man. I mean i honestly don't see the point in collecting FALs. Sure i'd buy one, they are nice, but no more than one. Which is exactly what you see in Mosins. So think about it, what you see in your collection in FALs, is what others see in their collection of Mosins. Each to their own likings.

[icormba]

Well, here’s something for everyone…
Both the FAL and The Mosin-Nagant ...designed by the Belgians.

Here are a couple "Bubba" guns, one collectable and the other not so collectable.

[mauser98k]

I'm just pointing out that some Mosins are rather crudely finished.

that's because the Soviets weren't so focused on fit and finish when the Fascists were pounding on their door. in fact, the German 2nd Panzer Group got so close to Tula that they relocated the factory

[wash]

Which one is collectable?

That FAL looks like an inch front end on a DSA type two upper with a metric lower and a funky scope mount top cover, a total mutt.

The Mosin has a carved up stock, a welded bolt handle, a side mount scope (which means the receiver has been drilled and tapped.

I would guess the Mosin is the collectable one because I'm pretty sure the FAL isn't.

But anything is collectable, I like that FAL, just somebody slap me if I buy 10 that are just like that.

In my FAL collection there is very little duplication and no triplication, a G1 is quite different from an Argentine Para which is quite different from an Izzy heavy barrel which is quite different from an Imbel type 3.

The equivalent in a Mosin collection would be a Remington M1891, an M44 carbine, a Finn M28 and a Chinese Mosin (I think China or some Asian country made Mosins).

To explain one early style rifle made for export, one short rifle made to be handy, one heavy barrel rifle that is quite different in the details and one not so finely made rifle with a few shortcuts that was made far away from where the rifle was developed, toward the end of it's service life.

I think those would both be fine collections and the Chinese Mosin would make the Mosin collection more difficult to put together than the group of FALs (especially since I'm cheating with a G1 marked DSA upper).

I know I would be proud if I had a collection of Mosins like that but I don't think that I would build that collection and then decide to buy 10 $99 Big5 Russian Mosins and shoot all of them. I might try to cherry pick a shooter and like I said, keep a crate in Cosmoline for a rainy day but doubt I would keep a rack of ~identical Russian Mosins oiled up and ready to go.

I intend to shoot that M39 I'm buying and I'll shoot my New England Westinghouse Bubba when I finish it up (don't cry it's my Bannerman rescue project) and like I said, I might buy another 2-3 Mosins in my life and I won't rule out buying a crate to store if the price is right and I've got the money (but they will stay crated up).

I'm not trying to belittle the Mosin at all, $99 is a great value for a rifle that is reliable and has enough accuracy potential to be effective past maybe 300 yards, it's just the difference between 5 and 10 of them seems like $500 you could have spent on another rifle (that's almost a PSL).

At this point I guess I will probably never fully "get it".

I don't get the FAL haters either, maybe they have never shot one?

If you ever see me at the range and I've got a FAL with me, I'll let you try a magazine.

[sixersgo]

Originally Posted by wash

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At this point I guess I will probably never fully "get it".

This 100 dollar rifle saved the motherland. They rounded up every guy they found threw some uniform on and threw a Mosin at them and pointed west.

[wash]

Originally Posted by mauser98k

that's because the Soviets weren't so focused on fit and finish when the Fascists were pounding on their door. in fact, the German 2nd Panzer Group got so close to Tula that they relocated the factory

Really, that is not a negative thing, it's just the way it was and it's one reason why they sell for $99.

I've never believed that a battle rifle needs perfect wood or even clean machining in the cosmetic areas. When I buy wood for my FALs, I go to Ironwood Designs and pick through the seconds (battle rifles have knots, sap wood, blowouts and chips more often than they have presentation quality furniture). I just try to avoid warping, repair sections and cracks.

[Spyder]

If I had the money to do it, I would be a collector of full auto belt feds. I don't, so I collect what I can afford.

[chillincody]

because their cheap to buy durible guns that are fun to shoot and kick like a mule to top it all off any one can shoot its such a simple design.

[chillincody]

Originally Posted by sixersgo

This 100 dollar rifle saved the motherland. They rounded up every guy they found threw some uniform on and threw a Mosin at them and pointed west.

dont forget the 1000 plus women snipers that helped

[TheExpertish]

Originally Posted by chillincody

dont forget the 1000 plus women snipers that helped

Klavdiya Kalugina was only 17, and Lyudmila Pavlichenko had 309 confirmed kills making her the most successful female sniper in history. Not bad for taking a break from the kitchen.

[sixersgo]

Originally Posted by chillincody

dont forget the 1000 plus women snipers that helped

forgot about the womens sniper faction

[chillincody]

Originally Posted by gadsdenarmory

Klavdiya Kalugina was only 17, and Lyudmila Pavlichenko had 309 confirmed kills making her the most successful female sniper in history. Not bad for taking a break from the kitchen.

lmao a lil sexist

[OHOD]

I would like to show you my collection of Mosins. I love these rifles because of their unique variations and mystery behind them.

I have been wanting to take a picture like this for a long time; a side-by-side photo of all the unique stampings of my collection. In this photo you will see Tula, Isvesk, Ex-dragoons, round receivers, hex receivers, high wall and low wall receivers.



Two Ex-dragoons, one Tula and the other Ishvesk. Can you spot why they are Ex-dragoons?



My Hungarian M44. Exactly who is Luciana? Is she the rifle or a true love?



I love the beauty of wood! This example has a lovely Arctic Birch stock with a 1941 Tula stamp. Mmm, mmm, mmm I love this rifle. My first Mosin in fact!



Example of a stock repair. Some of my rifles have various stock repairs and the craftsman that repaired them was exemplary in their craft! Leads me to ask; what happened to this stock? WWII thrown in the air and landed on the for-end? A bullet smashed through the stock? Or was it repaired at the arsenal because a rookie screwed it up?



And finally, an example of the machinist in a big hurry to get this rifle through the door and to the soldier.



These are examples of why I collect the Mosin Nagant. I think this rifle is beautiful in it's simplicity and complex in it's hardiness.
I hope this post helps you to appreciate why many people collect the ubiquitous Mosin Nagant Rifle.

[Cuerno_de_Chivo]

Originally Posted by wash

I'm not trying to belittle the Mosin at all, $99 is a great value for a rifle that is reliable and has enough accuracy potential to be effective past maybe 300 yards, it's just the difference between 5 and 10 of them seems like $500 you could have spent on another rifle (that's almost a PSL).

WAY beyond that man:

[bplvr]

Originally Posted by wash

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[wash]

Not for sale...

OHOD, that is a good answer.

Do you shoot all of them?

Is that your entire collection or just a sample?

I'm trying to understand and that is helpful.

[bplvr]

If you have a bunch of parts laying around you can build your own Mosin variation ,like this 'Assault Mosin" ..............................

[steelholder]

These rifles are 100 bux, seen wars, and 99.9% of the time go bang.

This is the main reason why people like to buy Mosins.