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Old 10-21-2017, 10:33 PM
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Default Carrying on national forest land

Can’t really find an answer that was given since 2012.

Can we still open carry a pistol on national forest land if you have a hunting/fishing license and are hiking to/at/hiking from a hunting/fishing spot?

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I believe that its ccw that you are asking about. Open carry is ...
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yes you can but cannot be concealed and depends on what state you’re in
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Old 10-22-2017, 6:33 AM
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yes you can but cannot be concealed and depends on what state you’re in




I’m in ca and going to be in San Bernardino national forest
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I’m in ca and going to be in San Bernardino national forest
Use softnose or expanding bullets and yes you can during hunting.
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Do as you wish No loaded firearms in most campgrounds. Use your own judgment on the latter but if caught it is an offense and they can take your gun.

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Use softnose or expanding bullets and yes you can during hunting.


Does fishing count as well?
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Do as you wish No loaded firearms in most campgrounds. Use your own judgment on the latter but if caught it is an offense and they can take your gun.


Most of the time I’m pretty far from any established campground in the forest. I’m aware of the no firearms in the campground outside of your direct campsite and inside the buildings but I’m talking about hiking and bushwhacking along a stream.
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Does fishing count as well?
No because you can't hunt fish with guns.
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Most of the time I’m pretty far from any established campground in the forest. I’m aware of the no firearms in the campground outside of your direct campsite and inside the buildings but I’m talking about hiking and bushwhacking along a stream.
OP check this out http://cucamongawilderness.org/ca-fi...nd-the-forest/
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No loaded firearms in most campgrounds.
I have seen posted at campground area entrances NO FIREARMS signs, but I am under the impression that when in your own campsite it is your temporary residence, and, as such, you may possess (if you are otherwise legally able to do so; i.e. you are not a restricted person) a loaded firearm for home defense. Granted, perhaps it is wise that the firearm remain close at hand but not visible to other campers?

It'd be nice to see some clarification on this issue as it pertains to California.
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Unless the area has been designated 'prohibited' to firearms, you should be able to open carry.
Carry any way you want in your own campsite.
Don't carry in any building with park employees in them.
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Use softnose or expanding bullets and yes you can during hunting.
You don’t HAVE to be hunting. You can open carry in NF except as otherwise may be prohibited in special places..for example some wilderness areas may specify no firearms. Shooting the firearm may be a different story. I know that during high fire risk periods, shooting has been prohibited in our local NF.

If it’s deer season, and you have a tag and license on you, and ALL you have is the pistol, you could be in trouble as deer can’t be taken with handguns in Ca. EDIT: that last statement is false. Legal to take deer (and certain other critters) with handguns in California.

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No because you can't hunt fish with guns.
But isnt it legal to ccw while actively fishing?
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No because you can't hunt fish with guns.
Says who???

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You don’t HAVE to be hunting. You can open carry in NF except as otherwise may be prohibited in special places..for example some wilderness areas may specify no firearms. Shooting the firearm may be a different story. I know that during high fire risk periods, shooting has been prohibited in our local NF.

If it’s deer season, and you have a tag and license on you, and ALL you have is the pistol, you could be in trouble as deer can’t be taken with handguns in Ca.
National Forests in Socal often designate the entire forest a no shooting area except in specified areas, in which case you cannot carry throughout most of the forest. Cleveland national forest comes to mind. I don't know what San Bernardino is. I'm pretty sure Angeles adheres to the "no loaded firearms due to fire danger except in specified areas" as well.

You can carry concealed to and from a hunting activity, however many forests do not allow hunting or discharge of a firearm of any type (Cleveland NF), so this exemption does not apply.

Cannot carry on campgrounds or in federal facilities, but in your campsite you can carry. Bathrooms at the campgrounds are not considered federal facilities.

When I hike in National Forests I adhere to the policy of concealed means concealed unless I'm going into a federal facility.

When I camped throughout Oregon I open carried everywhere I went except Portland and Bend. No one really thought twice.

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If it’s deer season, and you have a tag and license on you, and ALL you have is the pistol, you could be in trouble as deer can’t be taken with handguns in Ca.
Mammal Hunting Regulations 2017-2018

§353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.
(e) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(f) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.

http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/cu...lregs.aspx#353
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But isnt it legal to ccw while actively fishing?
CCW yes. Open, I dont think so.
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You don’t HAVE to be hunting. You can open carry in NF except as otherwise may be prohibited in special places..
Are you sure? CA banned open carry.
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^^^ Wrong. Read the dfw regs, Can carry while hunting and fishing.
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Mammal Hunting Regulations 2017-2018

§353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.
(e) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(f) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.

http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/cu...lregs.aspx#353
Pistols OK for coyote:

§475. Methods of Take for Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals.
Nongame birds and nongame mammals may be taken in any manner except as follows:
(a) Poison may not be used.
(b) Recorded or electrically amplified bird or mammal calls or sounds or recorded or electrically amplified imitations of bird or mammal calls or sounds may not be used to take any nongame bird or nongame mammal except coyotes, bobcats, American crows and starlings.
(c) Fallow deer, sambar deer, axis deer, sika deer, aoudad, mouflon, tahr and feral goats may be taken only with the equipment and ammunition specified in Section 353 of these regulations.
(d) Traps may be used to take nongame birds and nongame mammals only in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 of these regulations and sections 3003.1 and 4004 of the Fish and Game Code.
(e) No feed, bait or other material capable of attracting a nongame mammal may be placed or used in conjunction with dogs for the purpose of taking any nongame mammals. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an individual operating in accordance with the provisions of Section 465.5 from using a dog to follow a trap drag and taking the nongame mammal caught in that trap.
(f) The take or attempted take of any nongame bird or nongame mammal with a firearm shall be in accordance with the use of nonlead projectiles and ammunition pursuant to Section 250.1 of these regulations.
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^^^ Wrong. Read the dfw regs, Can carry while hunting and fishing.
Doubt you did read the regs.

Can carry concealed.

Need not be concealed if it is your hunting weapon.

No using a pistol to fish, it must be concealed.
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Nothing you posted above addresses carrying of weapons while hunting or fishing Read it and tell me where that is addressed. Do you hunt or fish?
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^^^ Wrong. Read the dfw regs, Can carry while hunting and fishing.
You are wrong. You read the regs.

Can carry concealed.

Need not be concealed if it is your hunting weapon.

No using a pistol to fish, so it must be concealed.

Though I re-read the prohibition on UOC and I am not sure UOC is prohibited out in the sticks generally.
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Isn't there a no lead ammo requirement that needs to be met in CA?
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Like I said nothing you posted addresses that issue. Enough I wpon't argue with a fool someone watching might not know which is which and I have been hunting and fishing in ca for over 50 years.
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Mammal Hunting Regulations 2017-2018

§353. Methods Authorized for Taking Big Game.
(e) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(f) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.

http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/cu...lregs.aspx#353
Whoops. You are right. Thanks.
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National Forests in Socal often designate the entire forest a no shooting area except in specified areas, in which case you cannot carry throughout most of the forest. Cleveland national forest comes to mind. I don't know what San Bernardino is. I'm pretty sure Angeles adheres to the "no loaded firearms due to fire danger except in specified areas" as well.

You can carry concealed to and from a hunting activity, however many forests do not allow hunting or discharge of a firearm of any type (Cleveland NF), so this exemption does not apply.

Cannot carry on campgrounds or in federal facilities, but in your campsite you can carry. Bathrooms at the campgrounds are not considered federal facilities.

When I hike in National Forests I adhere to the policy of concealed means concealed unless I'm going into a federal facility.

When I camped throughout Oregon I open carried everywhere I went except Portland and Bend. No one really thought twice.
Up here we are Los Padres and LOC is still good to go, for now. There is a group trying to ban all target shooting here, though, citing overwhelming trash left behind by shooters.
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In PRK I would never open carry in the National Forest. What I do is carry in my small backpack IN CASE OF EMERGENCY and otherwise keep a low profile.

Stupid laws INFRINGING on your ability to protect yourself WHERE NO LE RESPONSE is likely to be available should be unconstitutional.

My advice: do what makes sense .... aka: walk softly and carry a "big stick"
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Like I said nothing you posted addresses that issue. Enough I wpon't argue with a fool someone watching might not know which is which and I have been hunting and fishing in ca for over 50 years.
Are you talking about this?

Sec 25640 "Section 25400 does not apply to, or affect, licensed hunters or fishermen carrying pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person while engaged in hunting or fishing, or transporting those firearms unloaded when going to or returning from the hunting or fishing expedition."
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Can’t really find an answer that was given since 2012.

Can we still open carry a pistol on national forest land if you have a hunting/fishing license and are hiking to/at/hiking from a hunting/fishing spot?

Posted in political section but not much traffic.

If any mods see fit to nuke this feel free, I won’t be upset!
MudCamper has a good FYI thread regarding carrying when hiking in forest.
National or otherwise.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186457
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Check with the local Forest Ranger. Urban forests make their own rules about guns.
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Yeah, just read this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186457

It clears a good path through the mire. Also, check with the ranger station or governing office.
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Isn't there a no lead ammo requirement that needs to be met in CA?

From the CA Dept. of F&W.

What about target shooting or firearms for personal protection?

The regulations do not require use of nonlead ammunition when target shooting. Use of lead projectiles for target shooting is legal unless CDFW or another government entity has determined otherwise for lands they administer. The regulations do not prohibit the possession of concealable firearms containing lead ammunition, provided the firearm is possessed for personal protection and is not used to take or assist in the take of wildlife. With the exception of ammunition for concealable firearms possessed for personal protection, hunters may not possess lead ammunition along with a firearm capable of firing that ammunition in locations where nonlead ammunition is required.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/...nal-protection
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