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CA AB Bill 879 was passed by both CA House and Senate...

This bans import of 鼎ursory AR Parts, including Barrels, Triggers, and Upper Receivers, and requires purchase AND 10 Day Background check through a Vendor...

Get ready for it:

Starts in 2024....😂😂😂😂
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July 1, 2024, the bill would require a person or business to have a valid firearm precursor part vendor license to sell more than one firearm precursor part in any 30-day period


https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201920200AB879https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201920200AB879
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CA AB Bill 879 was passed by both CA House and Senate...

This bans import of 鼎ursory AR Parts, including Barrels, Triggers, and Upper Receivers, and requires purchase AND 10 Day Background check through a Vendor...

Get ready for it:

Starts in 2024....😂😂😂😂
10-day background check? Why? Useless parts without a lower, which already has its own DROS process...
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10-day background check? Why? Useless parts without a lower, which already has its own DROS process...
That痴 too logical.

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It’s about putting innocent people in jail who sell an AR part.....

Make them prohibited
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Lebanese,

Read the law again, read the definition of precursor parts. It is talking about 80% lowers, receiver flats for AK. There is no mention of barrels, bolts, trigger groups. There are definitions, A2
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Read 16531 Section A thru C, this will kill the 80% market. A2
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Thankfully I’ll be no longer living on this state for a few years by that time.
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Do people actually read the law before posting? The only thing banned is unfinished receiver/frames.


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Read the law before you start wringing your hands. It’s about 80% lowers, aluminum, polymer, receiver flats for the AK. HK type 80%, the law is trying to kill off the 80% market. Nothing to do with barrels, AR uppers. A2
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16531. (a) As used in this part, “firearm precursor part” means a component of a firearm that is necessary to build or assemble a firearm and is described in either of the following categories:
(1) An unfinished receiver, including both a single part receiver and a multiple part receiver, such as a receiver in an AR-10- or AR-15-style firearm. An unfinished receiver includes a receiver tube, a molded or shaped polymer frame or receiver, a metallic casting, a metallic forging, and a receiver flat, such as a Kalashnikov-style weapons system, Kalashnikov-style receiver channel, or a Browning-style receiver side plate.
(2) An unfinished handgun frame.
(b) The Department of Justice, consistent with this section, shall provide written guidance and pictorial diagrams demonstrating each category of firearm precursor part specified in subdivision (a).
(c) Firearm parts that can only be used on antique firearms, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 16170, are not firearm precursor parts.
(d) A firearm precursor part is not a firearm or the frame or receiver thereof. A firearm precursor part that is attached or affixed to a firearm is not subject to the requirements of Chapter 1.5 (commencing with Section 30400) of Division 10 of Title 4 of Part 6 or Section 18010.
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Doesn't make this loss any less bull****!
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I would assume this would also include complete upper receivers? They listed this section under the ammo sales background... so to purchase a complete upper, it would have to be sent to your LGS and pay your additional $1 tax to take delivery?
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80% already dead and buried especially polymer 80%.
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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
Yep. What's to keep CADOJ from creating new definitions when they write the final details for implementing the new law . . . like they did with the last AW ban where they defined a new class of AW (with BB) after the law passed without that wording?
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OH GOOD! There is an exemption for 830's. I was getting worried.

So this is for sale/purchase. Doesn't read anything about "possession." So the 1,846 my friend has, are good
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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
This is the plan. It will take years for the courts to overturn these unconstitutional anti-2A laws. By that time there will be even more oppressive anti-2A laws on the books. The gun grabbers will keep chipping away at the 2nd amendment year after year.
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Who cares, do what men with freedom do, buy it all anyway just like your ammo runs. We owe them nothing, no observation of illegal punitive diktats.
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I'm no lawyer (by choice) but I honestly don't understand how American Citizens are bound to obey obviously unconstitutional laws that are passed by the States? And why aren't officials that violate their sworn Constitutional oaths removed from office? I know it's been discussed and debated to death but it's just so damn frustrating to have your rights blatantly and overtly trampled on consistently... Illegal immigrants sometimes have more rights (or at least get away with a lot more) than true citizens...

I've lived in this state my entire life and I think California has gone completely off the rails in this regard.

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The wooden one is freaking epic!

What do they expect to accomplish with these laws? These gang members, career criminals, school shooters don稚 give a F about the law. Evil people gonna be evil.
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Who cares, do what men with freedom do, buy it all anyway just like your ammo runs. We owe them nothing, no observation of illegal punitive diktats.
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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
People here seem to forget what this law looked like just a year ago. For crying out loud, it's the same guy, does anyone here think he's done with 80% receivers?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01720180AB2382

They're going to pass this first and then amend it back to include barrels, speed-loaders, trigger groups, etc. etc. etc.

Exact same playbook as GVROs. First everyone against anyone, dial it back to family and police to get the structure established, then crank it back up and add more groups.

Exact same playbook as the handgun roster.

There are no benign gun restrictions in California.
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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
Because how the law is written does matter when you live under it. As I said in another thread: It should not be misstated what this bill does, and it should be noted what the previous bill from last session tried to do and what this bill when introduced tried to do (and ultimately failed to do with the final amended version of this bill), but it should definitely still be abhorred over what system this bill puts in place to later add in through yearly amendments after any tragedy.

However, in the mean time, this bill as written and submitted to the governor currently only regulates unfinished lowers and frames. Those are the rules that, if signed and enrolled, we will be living under for the moment when it goes into effect.

Furthermore: people stating that it regulates anything else are either mistaken or lying, and it doesn't help any of our cases when we engage those outside of our firearm owning peers when we spread such falsehoods, and are then such discussion is dismissed as mere conspiracy or stdh.txt; Especially in these times where people are skeptical of things they hear more than ever.

This is why it's important that people are corrected when they post something incorrect about a bill/law.
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Unfinished receivers?

So... what about metal tubing. Like used to make a Ruger Mk I-IV receiver? Or an improvised shotgun?
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So... what about metal tubing. Like used to make a Ruger Mk I-IV receiver? Or an improvised shotgun?
The AB-879, while it primarily calls out AR, AK, and Handgun unfinished frames and receivers, more or less could theoretically apply to any unfinished receiver/frame, as in 16531(b) it calls out CA DoJ providing written guidance and pictorial diagrams. See the following quote.
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16531. (a) As used in this part, 吐irearm precursor part means a component of a firearm that is necessary to build or assemble a firearm and is described in either of the following categories:
(1) An unfinished receiver, including both a single part receiver and a multiple part receiver, such as a receiver in an AR-10- or AR-15-style firearm. An unfinished receiver includes a receiver tube, a molded or shaped polymer frame or receiver, a metallic casting, a metallic forging, and a receiver flat, such as a Kalashnikov-style weapons system, Kalashnikov-style receiver channel, or a Browning-style receiver side plate.
(2) An unfinished handgun frame.
(b) The Department of Justice, consistent with this section, shall provide written guidance and pictorial diagrams demonstrating each category of firearm precursor part specified in subdivision (a).
(c) Firearm parts that can only be used on antique firearms, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 16170, are not firearm precursor parts.
(d) A firearm precursor part is not a firearm or the frame or receiver thereof. A firearm precursor part that is attached or affixed to a firearm is not subject to the requirements of Chapter 1.5 (commencing with Section 30400) of Division 10 of Title 4 of Part 6 or Section 18010.
So almost anything could be an unfinished frame/receiver depending on how far CA DoJ wants to define it. And we won't know that unless this bill is signed (which hopefully it isn't) and CA DoJ issues such guidance and diagrams.
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People here seem to forget what this law looked like just a year ago. For crying out loud, it's the same guy, does anyone here think he's done with 80% receivers?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01720180AB2382

They're going to pass this first and then amend it back to include barrels, speed-loaders, trigger groups, etc. etc. etc.

Exact same playbook as GVROs. First everyone against anyone, dial it back to family and police to get the structure established, then crank it back up and add more groups.

Exact same playbook as the handgun roster.

There are no benign gun restrictions in California.
Gipson can go F himself, the thug doesn’t have an ounce of manhood left in him. He is probably celebrating with Newsom in one of the toilet stalls in the State Capitol.

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I don't know why you guys are so concerned about splitting hairs when it comes to definitions of parts. It doesn't matter what is or is not a precursor firearm part. In time, all of this will be amended, updated, and redefined to include ANY gun part.
And that's exactly the plan.

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16531. (a) As used in this part, 吐irearm precursor part means a component of a firearm that is necessary to build or assemble a firearm and is described in either of the following categories:
(1) An unfinished receiver, including both a single part receiver and a multiple part receiver, such as a receiver in an AR-10- or AR-15-style firearm. An unfinished receiver includes a receiver tube, a molded or shaped polymer frame or receiver, a metallic casting, a metallic forging, and a receiver flat, such as a Kalashnikov-style weapons system, Kalashnikov-style receiver channel, or a Browning-style receiver side plate.
(2) An unfinished handgun frame.
(b) The Department of Justice, consistent with this section, shall provide written guidance and pictorial diagrams demonstrating each category of firearm precursor part specified in subdivision (a).
(c) Firearm parts that can only be used on antique firearms, as defined in subdivision (c) of Section 16170, are not firearm precursor parts.
(d) A firearm precursor part is not a firearm or the frame or receiver thereof. A firearm precursor part that is attached or affixed to a firearm is not subject to the requirements of Chapter 1.5 (commencing with Section 30400) of Division 10 of Title 4 of Part 6 or Section 18010.
The bolded text [emphasis mine] is the scary part, and the way (a) is written currently, they can determine any metal part to be a "precursor" part. Interpreting plastic parts this way would be slightly more difficult.
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I'm no lawyer (by choice) but I honestly don't understand how American Citizens are bound to obey obviously unconstitutional laws that are passed by the States? And why aren't officials that violate their sworn Constitutional oaths removed from office? I know it's been discussed and debated to death but it's just so damn frustrating to have your rights blatantly and overtly trampled on consistently... Illegal immigrants sometimes have more rights (or at least get away with a lot more) than true citizens...

I've lived in this state my entire life and I think California has gone completely off the rails in this regard.

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Taking it all, an inch at a time. They can't do it all at once, that would cause an outrage. Slowly but surely it all will be gone.
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The AB-879, while it primarily calls out AR, AK, and Handgun unfinished frames and receivers, more or less could theoretically apply to any unfinished receiver/frame, as in 16531(b) it calls out CA DoJ providing written guidance and pictorial diagrams. See the following quote.


So almost anything could be an unfinished frame/receiver depending on how far CA DoJ wants to define it. And we won't know that unless this bill is signed (which hopefully it isn't) and CA DoJ issues such guidance and diagrams.
So my if I have a CNC mill and a billet of aluminum would that be an 80% lower?

What if the seller calls it a paperweight? What if they say it痴 for model making? This is the same BS as those people on eBay selling the suppressor kits which is basically a thread adapter, and what appears to be a maglite body with freeze plugs to press into place as baffles. They値l call it a solvent trap or some BS, doesn稚 really matter what they call it it痴 the same idea.
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So my if I have a CNC mill and a billet of aluminum would that be an 80% lower?

What if the seller calls it a paperweight? What if they say it’s for model making? This is the same BS as those people on eBay selling the suppressor kits which is basically a thread adapter, and what appears to be a maglite body with freeze plugs to press into place as baffles. They’ll call it a solvent trap or some BS, doesn’t really matter what they call it it’s the same idea.
As I said before it will depend (if the bill is signed) on how CA DoJ decided to define it, as per the bill. Argument was made waaaaaaaaay early on in the... 2016 bill? Craig DeLuz of FPC had a field day with that back with AB-1673 which preceded both this bill (AB-879) and the previous session's bill (AB-2382) and its predecessor by trying to define unfinished receivers in the firearms definitions (as opposed to this current scheme which is a copy-cat of the ammo background check system). Gipson was embarrassed that day which is why the new bill just said "Let DoJ define it" most likely.
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First it's 80%, then it's 1/2, then 1/4, then 1/8th. Sound familiar?
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Gipson can go F himself, the thug doesn稚 have an ounce of manhood left in him. He is probably celebrating with Newsom in one of the toilet stalls in the State Capitol.
I've taken a close look at this guy Gipson. He's one of the biggest lying a-holes to hit this state. He's a pure, ignorant, POS.

Oh, and ever seen one of his verbal presentations?
This poor excuse for a man is incoherent.
He can scarcely get a sentence out of his mouth without stumbling.
Like listening to a middle-schooler give a preso.

The fact that ignorant cretins like this are are allowed to hold office and write laws in this state is a disgrace.
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This is the plan. It will take years for the courts to overturn these unconstitutional anti-2A laws. By that time there will be even more oppressive anti-2A laws on the books. The gun grabbers will keep chipping away at the 2nd amendment year after year.
Precisely.
Takes a few months to write a law and get signed into law.

Can take a decade or more to kill it.

Meaning, this state can easily write ten or more laws for every one that gets overturned. Or more.
Also, consider that while writing and getting an anti-gun law signed is an almost 100% sure thing in CA, getting laws overturned is certainly not.

The appeals courts simply HAVE to be streamlined, to make appeals 3-4 times as fast as before. Not gonna happen.

Sacramento and these scum Dems are holding almost all the cards. I don't see a solution yet.
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I'm no lawyer (by choice) but I honestly don't understand how American Citizens are bound to obey obviously unconstitutional laws that are passed by the States? And why aren't officials that violate their sworn Constitutional oaths removed from office? I know it's been discussed and debated to death but it's just so damn frustrating to have your rights blatantly and overtly trampled on consistently... Illegal immigrants sometimes have more rights (or at least get away with a lot more) than true citizens...

I've lived in this state my entire life and I think California has gone completely off the rails in this regard.

https://www.constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm
I agree with you.
But are you not noticing what CA and the Dem Party have been doing?
Here's the best definition of their "secret" strategy:
"Lets simply pretend the US Constitution doesn't exist."
Once you assume this is their strategy, almost everything the Dems do, regarding guns, free speech, religion, etc starts to make sense.
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Lebanese,

Read the law again, read the definition of precursor parts. It is talking about 80% lowers, receiver flats for AK. There is no mention of barrels, bolts, trigger groups.(yet) There are definitions, A2
So now a ten day wait for a shovel at Home Depot.
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