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Old 09-02-2018, 5:57 AM
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Isn't that slow fire though? ...
The national match includes rapid fire.
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Old 09-02-2018, 7:38 AM
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That rifle weighs 90 pounds and the buttstock and forend are parallel and perpendicular to each other so when john closes the bolt and the gun slides back into battery it is back on the point of aim
By shooting quickly the wind is less likely of a change and the lightweight bullets stand less of a chance of getting blown into a larger group. John was shooting a 6 Dasher so 121 grains is about the heaviest bullet he would likely use.
By rule the rifle rides in sandbags but they use tape on the stock to cut the coefficient of friction and powder on the bags.
That long straight handle makes it look very smooth but there is a slight crush fit on closing and the bullet gets engraved as well.
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The national match includes rapid fire.
LOL, 10 shots in 60 seconds isn't "rapid" enough to require the third finger on the trigger nonsense.
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Old 09-02-2018, 1:30 PM
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absolutely incredible. thanks for the information. only recently started a focused effort to learn rifle. Shot Trap and Pistol for quite a few years now. It's pretty interesting to learn a new sport and all the different faculties.
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It is one of the latest fads. I have been shooting for many years and own many bolt action rifles. I have never needed or even desired a large bolt handle. However my rifles are mostly hunting rifles even though I spend a lot of time shooting at the range.

Like I said it is a fad and if you like them then go ahead. Many years ago there was a desire to get set triggers and the "butter knife" bolt handles. Some of the foreign rifles were made that way Very nice looking but a bolt handle serves one purpose and it is up to you to decide how you like yours to be.
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LOL, 10 shots in 60 seconds isn't "rapid" enough to require the third finger on the trigger nonsense.
LOL...finally we agree on something sig!
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Fad. If they came stock on a Savage Randall or Lynn would offer a service to cut them off and replace them $$$$ with a better smaller bolt/knob - kidding big boyz !!!
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In Precision Shooting itís what the Proís use .......... itís a fad with them
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LOL...finally we agree on something sig!


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LOL, 10 shots in 60 seconds isn't "rapid" enough to require the third finger on the trigger nonsense.
When you have 20 guys or more shooting a rapid fire stage, it's a lot of lead going down range, it's freeking awesome.
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Next fad for bolt action rifles.

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Next fad for bolt action rifles.





Lol, or maybe we should have stayed away from high end scopes with 34 & 35mm scope tubes and their oculars that can make the stock Remington style bolts a bit harder to operate quickly.


It is starting to seem a few believe anything past this in a long gun is a FAD-



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Well, until the current rule change, bolt actions shooting side X side with semi-autos in the NRA/CMP national matches were very likely to win the championship. A bolt action has not won in the last couple of years but it can happen and will probably happen again. Bolt actions are not obsolete when talking accurate sustained fire.
Maybe so. I was thinking more in terms of warfare and not in match shooting when I made my comment. If I were a soldier and facing a hoard of charging enemy Huns/Chinese/VC/whathaveyou, I'd hope that me and mine were armed with semi-autos with large box magazines. Or better yet, machine guns. Just from a practicality standpoint.
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Hood Scoops and trunk spoilers on most cars are Fad items brought about by your average Joe seeing them on a competition machine were they are valuable and adding them for the look.
On CalGuns you have those that compete and those that look on from the sidelines and want there gear to emulate what others are running.
It just depends on which side of the fence you are sitting on.
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Lol, or maybe we should have stayed away from high end scopes with 34 & 35mm scope tubes and their oculars that can make the stock Remington style bolts a bit harder to operate quickly.




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Well, until the current rule change, bolt actions shooting side X side with semi-autos in the NRA/CMP national matches were very likely to win the championship. A bolt action has not won in the last couple of years but it can happen and will probably happen again. Bolt actions are not obsolete when talking accurate sustained fire.
Maybe so. I was thinking more in terms of warfare and the "mad minute" training, and not so much today's match shooting. If I were a soldier and facing a hoard of charging enemy Huns/Chinese/VC/whathaveyou, I'd hope that me and mine were armed with semi-autos with large box magazines. Or better yet, machine guns. Just from a practicality standpoint.
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Here's a little better view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHg8bArwB4
Right, everyone uses the handle and the knob it is attached to.
Some prefer longer handles or knobs than stock.

In this case he says he's using a tactical knob, I'm sure it's for better leverage and ergonomics.
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Fad. If they came stock on a Savage Randall or Lynn would offer a service to cut them off and replace them $$$$ with a better smaller bolt/knob - kidding big boyz !!!
I always think itís silly when people bring me savage bolts to put oversized knobs on, but I still do the work.
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Nice thing about Savages is there's no need to cut anything, the handle just comes off when you disassemble the bolt.
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We need ď likeĒ buttons on here.

I have several actions out for rebarreling. I just unjailed a cheap 700 to use as a temporary barreled action.. it does not eject one type of factory that is my go to, shoots horrible groups unless I leave the magneto speed attached.. then it goes for a 1Ē-1.25Ē gun, to just about 1/2Ē @100.. canít run around with the magneto speed always attached.

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You should get some 2 bolt collar clamps that fit your barrel and start experimenting with placement to tune your barrel harmonics.
Thats a good idea.. but I just tossed in the towel. Ordered another barrel and will have action cleaned up..


Something has gone bad with Remington QA, the old SPS 308s often shot near raged-ish holes, once in a nice stock.

I used to think people just could not squeeze the trigger without moving the rifle when they showed a 700 with 1.5 -2" groups at 100 with known good factory ammo. Now I am one of them..

I could have just bought a barrel action on a deviant from Core and been done
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One thing I do not see mentioned, my target stocks are much thicker through the wrist and around the action than my hunting stocks. Standard/factory knobs lie very close to the stock in deep cuts, having an oversize knob that is longer than factory helps locate it faster when the conditions are just right and you need to send 5-7 rounds down range during your relay. Added mass also helps smooth out the chambering motion.

Larger diameter target/comp scopes also put a short factory handle very close to the ocular and can make for cramped operations, potentially leading to short stroking.

My hunting guns with thin/light stocks have factory knobs. Comp guns have big ol' knobs.

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really interesting, thanks for sharing.

wonder why we don't see more of the biathlon chambering systems...is it that the locking mechanism would be too fragile for heavy calibers? These systems sure seem fast and efficient.... and the shooter never has to leave the sight plane to manipulate them.

I'd love to try one some day
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One thing I do not see mentioned, my target stocks are much thicker through the wrist and around the action than my hunting stocks. Standard/factory knobs lie very close to the stock in deep cuts, having an oversize knob that is longer than factory helps locate it faster when the conditions are just right and you need to send 5-7 rounds down range during your relay. Added mass also helps smooth out the chambering motion.

Larger diameter target/comp scopes also put a short factory handle very close to the ocular and can make for cramped operations, potentially leading to short stroking.

My hunting guns with thin/light stocks have factory knobs. Comp guns have big ol' knobs.

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If the action is smooth enough, you don't use the bolt handle at all, you just use your hand to sweep the bolt open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7nkHAGDL8
Now that is funny.
He is using / handling his rifle like an AR with a California fin on the grip.
But there is no fin.
First time I have ever seen anything like that.
Yes, I know it's a bench shooting thing.
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A lot of PRS shooters do the same thing.
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First time I had a stuck case in the chamber I pulled back hard and gouged the top of my thumb taking skin off from contacting the Tenebrex scope cover on the ocular of my scope. So I ordered a longer knob to clear the scope better. It worked but the other day the lever's brazing gave in and snapped off my bolt on my Rem 700 Gen 2 so I sent the barreled action to Long Rifles Inc in Sturgis, SD. I ordered the long swept handle from PTG to be shipped to them. This time I'll be putting on a shorter knob on the longer swept handle. They'll be doing their Tier 2 accurizing action work which includes their Tig/timing bolt handle work.

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Simply put:

If you shoot your rifle and don't find yourself thinking, "damn, I need a bigger knob to grab on to". Then, you don't need it.

And, when you see a rifle with an oversized knob and you don't find yourself thinking, "damn, I want that." Then, you don't need it.
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