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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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I was thinking the same thing when I saw this. The NRA is content to take our money, wine and dine representatives that already support gun rights, but will do almost nothing when it comes to grass roots protection of our rights. I'm not mad at the people who busted their butts to get the word out and signatures in, or the people who didn't even know what was going on, I'm mad that while the NRA was busy trying to scare money out of people they could have been using their might to actually help us. Last edited by ChuckDizzle; 09-30-2016 at 10:01 AM.. |
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Why would the nra care? We are going to re-elect fienstien, polosi, newsome, dealone and promote harris. If the nra fights these bills that group will just submit new ones. I can see where the nra would look at California and say if you don't care we don't care.
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Still, it would have been nice to see some sort of more substantive outreach... maybe a one-time cover on American Rifleman going out to the entire US to let everyone know that it's going to happen to them next and raise awareness among those NRA members that don't follow this stuff as closely? Something to help raise awareness and at least stop the onslaught elsewhere would be nice rather than pretending like an email is "outreach" enough. |
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Yep...got several myself. Didn't get any snail mailers, but that's because I opted out of their mail list and they seem to be respecting my request.
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I don't know that they would say that before this petition effort. But I can certainly see why they might say it now, and be justified in doing so.
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Only half ashamed to admit I quit the NRA 20 years ago. The NRA's main agenda is to not lose any more rights currently held in states that have gun rights we Californians can only dream about. Just as it killed me to know my teamster union dues were used to support candidates I despised, I just couldn't bring myself to finance the fight for gun rights outside of California.
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I'm a member and received several email about signing the petition ,and i forward to some peps , i even posted in my work bulletin board, herd positive feed back ,and some negative remarks but mostly from liberal and people from third world country that are use to not having any gun rights . people are just plain lazy and selfish entitlement.
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I received several emails from the NRA regarding the petitions. This was the title of one from early September-
California: Signature Efforts Still Underway for Veto Gunmageddon Referendum I've seen all kinds of excuses why people didn't get out and sign, and blame for every organization for not doing enough. It was plastered all over calguns, all over facebook, at every gun store and shooting range, and there was a lot of word of mouth buzz about it. The sad fact is that too many gun owners were too lazy to get off their asses to get out and sign. Its pathetic. |
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It is really not hard to find out how organizations, like the NRA, help us in California. You would think people on Calguns would be better informed yet the NRA hate is often on display here.
California: Veto Gunmageddon (from August 15) https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...to-gunmageddon California: Signature Efforts for Veto Gunmageddon Extended to September 24th https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016...september-24th NRA Magazine from August 17 https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/a...s-gunmageddon/ There is more. This was just a quick search and post
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Thank everyone for clarifying. If they really reached out to every CA NRA member and all we got was 112k signatures, I don't know what to say...
Maybe people just don't give a crap and deserve what they get.
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I also received 4 emails from the NRA. Thinking early on that this will help us
Push our numbers over the top was a mistake I guess... I'am a gun guy. I am in and out of gun stores weekly. Same for my adult kids. We all signed. The problem is probably most NRA members didn't have the opportunity to sign.
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Email is not nearly as effective as paper mailers.
If they were then no one would send ads via USPS. People delete email at the click of a button, but paper mailers have to make physical contact with the targeted person. Even if you just throw it away you are still seeing and interacting with it. That's why you get so many ads in your mailbox, because they generate revenue for the advertiser. Off the top of my head 15-20 percent greater returns than email, even factoring in the cost of postage. Also remember that many gun owners here aren't on the internet. Of the 500 or so people my dad and I got to sign most were hill folk who didn't have or weren't involved in Internet/social media, where USPS takes paper mailers to ever single address in the US every day. But the NRA said **** us in our hour of need, so when the time comes to renew I might just let it lapse. One mailer add to every NRA member in the state would have been enough for me to rationalize that they at least tried, but they didn't. Last edited by C.W.M.V.; 10-01-2016 at 7:26 PM.. |
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I'm the NRA. I signed and spread the word. I donate extra to the NRA-ILA.
Some of the responses I got were, "No I'm not registered to vote with a gulity look as if an illegal gun owner. No I don't vote. It's rigged." Clueless and apathy, but enough energy to whine about Rights being taken... |
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I also am a NRA member and heard many of the same excuses. I also received quite a few emails from several other groups.
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Just got to love the irony, the NRA is damned if I do and damned if they don't.
So many people ***** that they get mail and email from the NRA. And now that they don't. There are too many gun owners that do not pay attention to what's going on in California. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk |
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Like you said, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Same here and also received a call. I was able to get 20+ people into the LGS to sign, but clearly there were many that were too busy to get into shops and sign the petitions. It is a shame, but as others have said in other threads, it is a start and hopefully we can build on the grass roots movement and grow the clout.
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I received multiple e-mails from the NRA. I also am a Life Member and I volunteered for Veto gunmageddon to gather sigs and count petitions. I heard the same excuses as always, but they were a small minority compared to the people who did show up to sign. NRA people just did not show up in mass when I was there.
Funny thing happened when I was distributing flyers for the CRPA against prop 63 to local gun stores and ranges. I walked into a local store and the owner wanted to know who was behind the flyers. He said if it was the NRA they were not welcome in his store. When I said I was from the CRPA, he was OK with it. Really? You are that angry at the NRA that you will reject anything that could help you? I guess I will not be buying anything there. See how that works? We all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately. |
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I'm amazed at how many gun owners are against the NRA.
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Well is the NRA really for us here?
If I lived in Nebraska I'd be perfectly happy with the NRA. But here in CA I don't really feel like we get much benefit. Then again, I think the real problem is that the NRA is focused at the federal level, and we simply lack an effective state level organization |
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But they seem far less effective/focused at state level issues, which is where we are loosing ground fast. Not saying they are fighting the wrong fight, but that all their federal efforts mean nothing to the ban states. |
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The solution in California is a much more organized and energized grassroots effort from the veto group (essentially us gun owners), with full support from the NRA, FPC, etc including financial assistance. When we make it happen, it will be a powerful movement. |
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Why blame the NRA? The State of California is a lost cause. No state level office will ever be held by anyone that does not have a "D" next to their name.The overwhelming liberal majority in the State assembly and Senate will continue to steal our rights. The ignorant and selfish voters are getting exactly what they want. They will be happy until one day they realize that their rights will be the next to fall.
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We gun owning conservatives are an insular bunch. I've been solicited at home by everyone from socialists to bible beaters but never once had a conservative or gun rights association come to my home. We need to get off our couches and stump! We need money, volunteers and a central organizing committee that focuses entirely on gun rights. No libertarian politics, no Bronze Age myths, no moral legislation. We need to go to the people where they live and build a database of gun owners that we can alert when it's necessary. Instead we have small arguing conclaves and the socialists keep winning |
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The problem is the anti-gun laws are coming so fast and furious, most average gun owners are overwhelmed and exhausted. They start to ignore all the doomsday emails from the NRA, FPA, CRPA, GOA, CGF and all the others. We've all been volunteering, donating, signing, writing, calling, and protesting until we're ready to collapse. And it still keeps getting worse every day.
I think most gun owners have tuned out because they're fatigued and shellshocked by the continual landslide of legislation.
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Both my wife &I signed. Also my son and son-in-law. I think we should make an effort to prevent re-elections, this will only change if they again start thinking about this stuff as a 3rd rail. Hope some lawsuits can help too. If everything I care about (kids and grandkids weren't here) I'd move out of this nanny state...
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Protection. Democrat......
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