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If they send a letter to someone who didn't register, you can turn in the lower. They don't know what you have done to it since you purchased it. Or you sold it, stored it out of state. If you registered, they know what the configuration is.
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If I were sent a letter for my rifle (I registered a single gun btw) I would either give them the lower, destroy the lower, or take it out of state as well.
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So the whole “not to register” is about the cost of the upper? Is it really worse than buying featureless or fixed mag parts to turn your rifle into abomination? |
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When you sell or otherwise dispose of a gun, they do not remove it from your file. An AFS check of a serial number could potentially return 50 registered owners, they would assume that the most recent date indicates the date the previous owner transferred it, but it doesn't account for out of state sales. This was the basis of the DOJ's argument against eliminating the 10 day waiting period for persons who already possess a firearm... they argued that their database was not accurate enough to positively determine whether the applicant indeed does currently possess another gun.
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They know the configuration it was prior to registering. But after registration, the only thing you can’t do is remove the BB and make it less than 26” OAL. You can still store and sell out of state. And in fact that is exactly what I plan on doing. I only registered so I could legally transport them out of state. Transporting is exactly the same as transporting a handgun. And I bought them post 2014 so they know exactly what I had. Even if I converted featureless, they would still know I bought them.
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Best case they know the configuration at the time of DROS.
Probably a good 50% or more AR-pattern rifles in CA were sold as bare lowers. DOJ has no idea if I have 12 rifles, a box of 10 lowers in the garage and 2 rifles, a box of 10 lowers in storage in Arizona and 2 rifles, or any combination of those... all they know is that I bought 10 lowers and 2 rifles at some point between 2005 and 2017.
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1) "They don't know what you have done to it since you purchased it." - And is it any different with RAW in that way? We know now there are NO restrictions on changing anything on the rifle including modifying it in any way, even going down to 26". Only restriction is the 26" SBR law and the BB needs to stay on. Many of the guns I registered are no longer in the configuration I registered them in, and we have written confirmation from the DOJ, made public even, that this is ok. Explain to me how they know anything about the "configuration" of our guns other than they are AW? 2) "Or you sold it, stored it out of state." - It is not a requirement of the AW registry to de-register a weapon when selling it out of state. 3) "If you registered, they know what the configuration is." - All we know about the photo requirements was that they most likely instituted the entire system just to make sure people didn't register illegal stuff. People assumed crazy ideas like we had to keep the weapon in some kind of configuration that was pictured despite this idea not appearing anywhere in the law or regulations. Since we discovered #34 on the DOJ FAQ page we know that no such requirement exists. So the DOJ knows the configuration of your weapon at the time you registered it, THAT IS ALL. Even if you choose to keep it in that configuration they can't assume they know it's in that configuration because it is NOT required to keep it in that configuration. RAW does not mean they know exactly what we have, it does not mean they know where it is (since there is no requirement to update addresses), and they might not even know when we sell it since there is no requirement to remove it from the registry when we sell. Those pictures we took seem to be totally useless to them now, which would tell us that it was all a tool they used to simply verify legality at the time of registration.
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Fact is relying on an AFS check's most recent record is pretty damn good info, only issue would be if it is not in the system (sporadic record) or this person no longer has the weapon because of a legal out of state sale. Quote:
I think they have way more information than they claim.
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We can go down to 26" after registration, confirmed by DOJ in writing:
"What changes can I make to my assault weapon after I register it? The AB 1135/SB 880 assault weapons regulations created by DOJ state that the bullet button style release must remain on the firearm. The owner should not shorten a rifle barrel below 16” or the overall length under 26” (Penal Code 33210 and Penal Code 17170). The owner should not shorten a shotgun barrel below 18” or the overall length under 26” (Penal Code § 33210 and Penal Code § 17180). See the “key terms” section of the AB 1135/SB 880 assault weapons regulations."
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Is there info within AFS we aren't allowed access? Thanks.
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They're shameless.
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It requires a notary. They have a disclaimer that they only know from 2014 and that past records are not kept except for pistols and AW, yet more than a few of my rifles bought before then are in fact on there. This is basically a "tell me what you think I have" report.
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Then BAM- up on the website in writing in January - you can change anything and go to 26". The person who wrote that FAQ is either fired by now or one of us! Surprised they didn't try and revise it, but at this point it's impossible. We all copied and screenshoted and saved this gem. I'm sure Eric Holder's head exploded when he read #34.
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Needs a copy of your CA ID and it needs to be notarized.
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The important thing is that it dispels myths and FUD spread by anti-registration advocates about the government requiring that weapons remain in certain configs and that the information in the photos is somehow valuable in any way.
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For me it's not giving them any additional info and not giving them one red cent supporting registration.
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You and I see a completely different picture about the intent from the DOJ.
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Much appreciated, gentlemen. Someday I'll put that to good use!
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I have to admit I felt the same way to a degree.
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Bacon!!!!
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My biggest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them. WTB: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...6#post27313406 |
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The Rifle on the Wall "“[S]cientific proof” of both gun-rights and gun-control theories “is very hard to get”; therefore, requiring “some substantial scientific proof to show that a [firearm] law will indeed substantially reduce crime and injury” is tantamount to applying strict scrutiny to, and almost certainly will lead to invalidation of, the law." - Kamala Harris Lawyers and their Stockholm Syndrome |
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What guy?
I registered. As I mentioned in other thread, multiple weapons from ur generic AR to one offs, few 80%, rifle from multiple countries. Not gonna miss the boat this time. I was regretting years after 2000 that I did not register more back then. As I learned back then, sticking up ur finger against the Man did jack for advancing our rights instead curtailed what little rights I had left. Been waiting for years for them to close this “loophole”. Many had forgot the B.B. was an invention partially used to provoke another registration. Why do u think they have this no B.B. removal rule? DOJ did not forget. Sacramento did. I can now finally go shoot with my standard mags in my rifles and pistols. And handle the firearm as it was designed. BTW regulation does not mention anything about attaching a tool to ur BB, B.B. still function the same requiring a tool, but there is nothing indicating u cannot attach the tool. Just no magnet |
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I remain in total compliance with the law. I would not want to do anything that may result in the loss of what few gun rights I have left.
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God Bless all of you who 'registered'. You actually think you're dealing with an ethical entity who won't change the 'rules' (remember they make the 'rules') to suit their purpose (which is our complete disarmament) when it suits their objective (our complete disarmament and internment).
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You are right. They'll realize how many people like bacon here and will try to ban pork.
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I found myself in a unique situation where the DoJ has actually come to my residence to take possession of a firearm in the past. I've since got it back, took 5yrs, but would not want any additional attention in my direction, so I'll wait on the fun stuff until I'm out state.
When I move, I'll take my state taxes with me. Sure I'm only one, but since my vote at the box doesn't count, have to vote with my feet. Has this weird refugee crisis thing. Just hope my new state won't stop me at the border =o |
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Actually they do, it's in the definitions. Attaching a magnet or tool to activate the BB is the same as taking the BB off. This is the highly illegal act of manufacturing an AW from an AW which is magic and cannot be understood by pleeb minds.
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Yer a funny feller! But do you think no one is watching this forum??? This thread is up there with the guy selling milled 80% on the net, how did doj find him??? I await your next .....
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The lunatics ARE running the asylum. Screw fotofukkit Last edited by clb; 06-28-2018 at 6:13 AM.. |
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Wait, what? Details?
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I don't think they are as impressed with CG as we are, and they probably get a splitting headache reading it.
I honestly don't think DOJ cares about what we say or do. To them it probably reads like ranting partisan gibberish. I am sure some low-level anti-gunners come here from time to time, but not the DOJ or politicians with any authority. They have other things to do. |
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