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Old 10-01-2017, 6:25 PM
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I like my halo and ultratech, I edc a socom elite I got from a member here and have for years, while in the shop I usually carry a beater snap on knife I got for free from the snap on man. I've beat the hell out of both the edge on the microtech had held a lot better against other metals than the snap on.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:20 AM
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I feel that Winkler knives are actually a good value for what you pay.
IMHO BUSSE is a great value for what you get... the values go up after they are not on sale anymore, but a Team Gemini Light Brigade in coated INFI steel was around $380 when offered. Battle Grade Team Gemini's were $257 IIRC (coated SR-101 steel which is 52100 steel with proprietary heat treat)... Pretty affordable for an 8" combat knife that's basically indestructable, but warranted for life. I see lots of small knives selling for prices that seem nuts compared to BUSSE's, not to mention Scrap Yard or other makers like Mineral Mountain or even Bark River, etc... Also super small garage shops with custom hand made stuff like Hard Edge Knives and Black ROC, GimmeJR (Jeremy Garrison), Malanika, Duck Childress, etc...

Of course good Kydex or leather is gonna add some dollars to that, but at least you can get the sheath you like... and BUSSE is popular enough to have many talented sheath makers waiting to get their hands on a new model to roll out kydex for it.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:28 AM
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If I was gonna get back to the blade addiction, I'd probably dive into lots of Black ROC's... I don't see many of his designs I don't like. Kydex included too, and it is nice kydex.









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Old 10-02-2017, 3:36 PM
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Worth it to whom? Some folks will pay big money for a specialty product.

For me, my EDC cost about $25-30, I think. Too cheap a folder and you're asking for trouble. I want a solid lock on a folder and I've bent them over a time or two over the years. The quality of the steel is of small concern to me. I want a solid lock first. Sharpening is fast and easy so I don't mind cheapness there.

For hunting, I usually use a cheap, $10 fixed blade. I have to touch up the edge in the middle of quartering/skinning a deer but it does its job well enough and I always carry a sharpener while hunting. I wouldn't pound it into spinal joints but, being careful, I can free up the skull enough to twist it off for carry back to the truck. It ain't the sturdiest but it is light and easy to work with.

Expensive knives sure are purdy and I can appreciate the craftsmanship. But I can break a lot of cheap ones before I'll ever run up to the cost of an expensive one. I'd rather spend the extra money on lighter packs, sleeping bags, clothing, etc. I run through the soles of my trail shoes every couple years (my hiking shoes are also my running shoes) so most of my money has gone there over the years and that seems right to me. Knife quality is the least of my concerns.
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Old 10-02-2017, 7:32 PM
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Worth it to whom? Some folks will pay big money for a specialty product.

For me, my EDC cost about $25-30, I think. Too cheap a folder and you're asking for trouble. I want a solid lock on a folder and I've bent them over a time or two over the years. The quality of the steel is of small concern to me. I want a solid lock first.
Def some truth there. A $25 Cold Steel GI TANTO probably wont fold over on your fingers... but cheap knives with crappy heat treats might break when you need them. Fixed blades though, i think most people don't want to sharpen in the field if they know there are options that won't need it. Definitely weak locks are scary though... Axis and Tri-Ad are pretty good. So are frame locks by ZT.
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Old 10-04-2017, 2:10 PM
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after the first couple of resharpenings than a $20, $10 or even $2 knife?

anyone done scientific tests showing a $200 knife is enough better that a human could actually tell in a double blind test?

Take two knives and wrap both handles in enough tape to hide the shape, then ask a exp user to cut some meat blindfolded and see if he can guess which is which.

Sounds like a hard sell TV info merical.
I'm absolutely not a brand whore, but after having to replace knives every few months (and re-sharpening them every few days), I switched to a Benchmade and never looked back. I've had Spyderco's latch mechanism fail, a few Kershaws unlock and one had half my finger sliced open, Chinese stuff just break, and most cheap knives just become loose and wobbly. The main thing I like on my Benchmades is the Axis lock. I abuse my knives (my fault and I don't condone this to anyone else) but the Benchmades are the ones that held out the best.
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Old 10-04-2017, 3:34 PM
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Old 10-10-2017, 9:12 PM
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I enjoy collecting and using quality blades. I have $10 throw aways and the max I'd paid for a knife is around $350.

There are some knives that sell for $200-$300 direct and that's considered a deal compared to other makers in the same category. There's some where you have to wait 6 month to a few years. The nice thing with those is you can use them and still sell them later and even make a little money.

The steel, fit, grind, handle materials, and finish have a lot to do with the pricing. Realistically, are we going to cut cinder blocks, use our knives as a repelling anchor, cut through a windshield, cut through a steel vehicle door, etc. Probably and hopefully not. However, the higher end "Super Steels" cost more and the heat treat has a huge difference in performance.

There's definitely a difference between Smith and Wesson, Buck, Benchmade, Spyderco, CRK, and the different steels used. Some are more stainless and others may rust more, but provide more impact toughness. Some steels are less tough, but are great for edge retention.

Fixed blades you will notice the difference between Mora, Gerber, Cold Steel, Becker, Fallkniven, Bark River, CPK, Survive, Swamp Rat, Busse, etc. All have different handles, materials, steel, edge grinds, etc. You'll notice a difference when batoning wood and other moderate to hard tasks. Definitely don't want to use a Mora companion to baton a hard oak log.
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Sorry to post on a 2 month old thread but there are absolutely without question major differences between cheap knives and better knives, particularly when talking about folders. Without even considering the steel (which affects edge retention, hardness and sharpening and rust/corrosion resistance) the style of lock, the grind on the blade, the material of the handle, the stupid clip that almost no one makes right...
I use knives hard at work and have been buying cold steel recons since I was in high school. I've gone through a few but I can tell you that I've had cheap knives fall apart at the handle and pins numerous times (big 5 smith and wessons, bulk pack knives, Kershaw's

I use husky razor knives at work too, but there is no substitute for a solid folder. The difference between a $20 folder and $60-$100 folder is Extreme. Past that the differences become more minor and detail oriented.
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but cheap knives with crappy heat treats might break when you need them.
I had a carbon Kabar I took backpacking once, must have had a bad HT, chopped off a 1/4" pine limb and lost dime sized chunks from the blade on day one. Only blade I brought which made for a Miserable trip..... Kabar took care of me and replaced it, but little good that did when I actually needed it.
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